Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:42 pm on 27 November 2019.
That's nothing at all to do with what we're discussing today. In fact, Ieuan Wyn Jones's record as economy Minister through those dark days of Westminster-led troubles with the economy stand up to scrutiny even now in 2019.
But in reality, despite the mudslinging between the Conservatives and Labour, it's just one Westminster establishment tag-team that time and time again, Government after Government, fails Wales. Yes, the Conservatives have starved Wales of funding through ideologically driven austerity, but Labour equally complicit when it comes to failure to invest in the kind of infrastructure we need, for example. Labour slam the Conservatives for failing us on rail electrification, quite rightly, but how convenient it is to admit that previous and successive Labour administrations were just as guilty of inaction, leaving us without a single mile of electrified rail.
What makes Plaid Cymru different is our willingness to say, 'Let's face up to those failures of the past and define our own future.' Until we truly realise that the status quo is failing Wales, trapping children in poverty, starving us of investment, keeping wages low, we can't plan for a genuinely different journey as a nation. So, our amendment today, as well as reminding us that under-investment in Wales is the legacy of successive Governments, both Labour and Conservative, also spells out our belief that it's us, the people of Wales, who can find our way out of this. And do you know what? Nobody is saying it's going to be easy.
Yes, there's a deficit that you mentioned, and on the face of it it's very scary, but as Llyr Gruffydd says, that analysis of our current position is in no way a reflection of what situation an independent Wales would face. It's the situation that Wales finds itself in now as part of the United Kingdom—