I'm glad I took on the issue of lobbying, because if I hadn't done, I'd still probably be a Plaid Cymru AM.

I really admire Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in the United States, because she is people-funded and not lobbyist-funded. I remember Carwyn Jones saying that lobbyists had no access to Ministers. Now, Carwyn does have a strange relationship with the truth, but in this case, there was no relationship at all—[Interruption.]—no relationship at all, because we all know that lobbyists have access to—