Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:15 pm on 4 December 2019.
Now, in terms of the denials we've heard from Mark Isherwood, David Rowlands and others about the fact that they think the US has no intention of gaining access to the NHS, I find that frankly astonishing in the face of all the evidence. Trump has been open about his 'America first' policy. He said on 4 June that he did want the NHS to be on the table in a trade deal, and we have evidence from documents that have been released last week, which showed that the marketisation of drug prices, patents, medical devices and health insurance has been discussed. We have a copy of the official US department for trade's negotiating priorities. The evidence is overwhelming and I can only conclude that some people are just refusing to accept this reality because it doesn't accord with their view of the world. I'm afraid it's not a view that I share.
In terms of what we've heard from mainly the Conservative benches about their faith that Boris Johnson will keep his word, in terms of the NHS, I think the people of Wales will know full well that the promises he makes can't be trusted. Boris Johnson said in a The Telegraph column in the past that he wanted to charge patients to see their GP; he told Business Insider that people would value the NHS more if they had to pay for it; he called for the break-up of what he called 'the monolithic, monopolistic' NHS in the House of Commons. And I think most worryingly, his true beliefs are reflected in remarks he made in a Centre for Policy Studies speech. He said 16 per cent 'of our species'— his words—had a low IQ and that more should be done to support the 2 per cent with the highest IQ. He said,
'The harder you shake the pack the easier it will be for some cornflakes to get to the top.'
This is ultimately a Darwinian view of the world. What Boris Johnson believes is that vulnerable people should be left to rot so that the most successful 'of our species'—again, his words—are able to prosper.