Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:51 pm on 4 December 2019.
I congratulate Plaid on tabling this debate and a relatively lengthy motion. It would be a challenge to respond to every point in it, but generally, I don't know whether Plaid have put this motion because it's a cynical effort to exploit the NHS and scares of a US trade deal in advance of the election, or whether it's because of genuine, albeit misconceived, concern about how the health market and regulation operates in the United States.
I agree with point 1 (a) of their motion about leaving the EU on 31 January 2020, and I think points 1 (c) and (d) are factual. But point 1 (b) and I think the references at 2 (b) and (c) to their beliefs I think I will address in combination. They refer to the marketisation of patents. Patents are issued by Governments or their patent offices and are enforced through the courts. Someone who has a patent can buy or sell that patent, but I don't think either of those are going to be influenced by any trade negotiation.
The references—I think broadly they have a number of fears. One, and I think it's been suggested this isn't really held, is that the NHS is just going to be sold to US providers. The NHS costs about £140 billion a year across the UK, and it doesn't take in, generally, revenue, hence it's not attractive for a private provider to come and seek to buy it. Clearly there are other issues, which I'll turn to, but I'll take the intervention from Rhun.