8. Plaid Cymru Debate: Brexit and Future Trade

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:17 pm on 4 December 2019.

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Photo of Delyth Jewell Delyth Jewell Plaid Cymru 6:17, 4 December 2019

Thank you for the intervention. I do agree that this is not something that is solely focused on Boris Johnson. I think that there are number of members of the Cabinet—well, they are still the current Cabinet—like you've said, like Dominic Raab whom I think some of this—. It's like this Dickensian view of the world that the prosperous world reaps all of the rewards and I agree with that analysis. It's very worrying. Again, I hope, I plead with the Labour backbenchers that they will support the motion, because selling off the NHS would be the best way for that party to realise this dystopian vision.

I must say that to describe legitimate concerns for the future of our NHS as 'scaremongering', 'desperate fear tactics' and 'preying on vulnerable people who use the NHS' is astonishing. I think that last remark in particular is offensive considering that protecting vulnerable people is the purpose of this motion. 

I listened with great care to the Minister's explanation as to why they don't want to have a veto over trade deals and why they don't want to change the law to stop the UK Government from being able to privatise the NHS. He said that Plaid Cymru, what we're proposing, sounds too much like independence to be to his liking—a remark that was echoed by David Rees, which I was a little dismayed by. I do support independence, I'm never going to deny that, but that's not what we're proposing today. We're simply calling for Wales to be given a veto over any trade deal that would have the capacity to damage our public services. 

This could work very well in practice. The UK Government would not want us to collapse a trade deal by using this veto. So, they would have to negotiate from the start so that we have a deal that leaves our NHS intact. It would achieve what the Welsh Government wants, which is for devolved governments and legislatures to be able to influence trade negotiations before they begin, which is what I think Huw Irranca-Davies was referring to in his contribution.

I think it's very sad that the Welsh Government is prioritising the future of a union that has left Wales destitute and powerless over the future of our NHS. I would urge Labour backbenchers to try to convince the Government to reassess their priorities before it's too late.