Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:12 pm on 4 December 2019.
Yes, and it is exactly the role that we ask for, that we press for, to have an involvement in negotiations, in agreeing those mandates, and a direct role in negotiations. And the reason for that is that we can then stand up directly for Welsh interests in relation to devolved competencies. And this Senedd will have then the role of scrutinising, interrogating and ensuring that the Welsh Government is representing the interests of Wales in exactly that way. Robust arrangements for joint working and agreement between the Governments that facilitate scrutiny by all the relevant legislatures would help to ensure that situations never arise in which the UK Government could justify the use of extreme intervention powers, such as those in section 82 of the Government of Wales Act 2006. And whilst existence of those powers may be necessary in extreme cases to prevent one Government from holding the three others over a barrel, their use in any other situation would be outrageous in constitutional terms.
Reform of the devolution settlement to reflect the changing context for international relations is necessary, but this is not a quick fix. We have called for a constitutional convention, and that process must address these key questions around international relations and devolution, as we have argued in detail elsewhere.
Dirprwy Lywydd, I call on Members to support the Government amendment.