1. Questions to the First Minister – in the Senedd at 1:44 pm on 10 December 2019.
Questions now from the party leaders. The leader of the opposition, Paul Davies.
Diolch, Llywydd. First Minister, in the very first meeting of the National Assembly for Wales, the then First Minister, or First Secretary, Alun Michael, said that we must deliver three things for Wales. First, we must deliver a better life for the people of Wales. Secondly, we must deliver a sense of unity and purpose, and, thirdly, we have to deliver a new confidence in ourselves in Wales and in political life. First Minister, Welsh Labour have run the Welsh Government for over 20 years. On reflection, can you honestly say that the challenge set by Alun Michael has been met?
Well, Llywydd, I can say very confidently, despite having to deal with a decade of his party's austerity, with everything that that has done to undermine the prospects of a better life here in Wales, despite the disunity that his party have spread with their policies of inequality, and despite their attempts to run down Wales at every opportunity that they have, that, of course, a Welsh Labour Government has invested in a better life for people here in Wales, better economic prospects, better public services—a country that faces the future with a greater degree of self-confidence and sense of purpose, quite certainly, than we did back in 1999. And all of that is a tribute to what successive Welsh Labour-led Governments have achieved here in Wales.
Well, First Minister, you might think things have improved under your party's stewardship, but the people of Wales certainly don't think so. In fact, the outcomes point to nothing but failures when you look at our NHS, our education system and our economy. First Minister, under your party, accident and emergency waiting times are the worst on record, the Welsh NHS has been the only part of the UK to see its budget cut. This year's Programme for International Student Assessment results confirm that Wales is, yet again, the lowest performing country within the UK for all subjects. We're still at the bottom of the list of UK for gross value added per head. You've failed to get a grip of the housing crisis and actually build enough houses here in Wales. You've failed to meet any of your targets to eradicate fuel poverty. Welsh farmers are facing over-regulation and a lack of action on bovine tuberculosis. And our cash-strapped local authorities are struggling to make ends meet.
What a record of delivery, First Minister. If Wales continues under your party's leadership, you'll still be dithering on the M4, and you'll still probably be working on the Heads of the Valleys road when the Assembly has its thirtieth anniversary. First Minister, like your health Minister has bragged in the past, are you proud of your record of delivery, and will you now accept that you've failed to deliver a better life for the people of Wales?
Llywydd, I think the Member will need to practice his stump speech a few more times in order to get it completely fluent. Look, he was right, wasn't he? We are cash starved here in Wales. Why are we cash starved? Because of the policies that his Government has pursued—a decade of destruction by his party here in Wales. And despite all of that, despite the cancellation of electrification of the main line, despite his party's failure to invest in the Swansea bay tidal lagoon, despite the fact that our budget is lower a decade later than it was when his party came into power, our NHS treats more patients more quickly, more successfully than at any time in its history. I know they don't like it when we say—but those are just the facts of the matter—more patients—
Those are my constituents.
—more quickly, more successfully than at any time in its history, including the Member's constituents. Yes, she doesn't like it, but it's true.
Our education service—we saw it last week. He didn't have a good word to say for the children of Wales last week, or their teachers, or all those people who have succeeded in making our PISA results the only part of the United Kingdom where results have gone up in all three domains in our PISA tests. That's an achievement of our young people and our teachers here in Wales.
And he mentioned the economy. Has he not seen the figures published today of what his party is achieving at the UK level? Not a scintilla of growth in the UK economy in the last month or in the last quarter. Contraction in construction, contraction in manufacturing. At the end of a decade of his party's stewardship of the UK economy, we find ourselves at the bottom of every league there is going.
Let me remind the First Minister why the UK Government in 2010 had to reduce spending: because your party colleagues destroyed our economy and left us—[Interruption.]—and left us with a black hole of £150 billion. I know the Labour Party don't like the truth, but that is the truth. Because let me remind the—[Interruption.] Let me remind the—
I do know it's two days before a UK general election, and I was expecting quite a bit of noise this afternoon, but this is taking it a bit too far now. Can we hear the leader of the opposition in a bit of silence?
And let me remind the First Minister, it was Liam Byrne, the former Labour chief financial Secretary to the Treasury, who left that note and said that there was no money left—his words, not my words. I have to say to you, First Minister: your lack of humility when it comes to genuine scrutiny of your Government's record is absolutely frightening, and it gives us a real snapshot of life if the UK Labour Party came to power under Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell.
Of course, in less than 48 hours, the people of Wales will take to the polling stations to vote for the next UK Government. Now, your party calls its manifesto 'Standing Up for Wales', but the reality couldn't be further from the truth, could it? You're completely at odds with the people of Wales when it comes to Brexit. We're facing the prospect of an unaffordable four-day week. And you yourself have confirmed that tax rises would come under a UK Labour Government. First Minister, in your last First Minister's questions of 2019, just over 20 years after the first FMQs were asked and answered, will you now commit to genuinely standing up for the people of Wales and representing their wishes, and start delivering a new confidence in Wales and in politics?
Llywydd, the Member refers to a lack of humility. Did he see his Prime Minister yesterday? Did he see him, asked to look at the picture of a child lying on the floor of an NHS hospital in England, where he refused to look at it, where he refused to say anything about the plight of that child? Don't talk to us here about humility. Talk about humanity, just for a moment, and the utter lack of humanity that his leader showed at that moment, demonstrating absolutely why he does not have the trust of people in Wales or people across the whole of the United Kingdom.
This party stands up for Wales. This party stands up for Wales in the face of every onslaught that his party performs. We stand up for people faced with the fear and the horror of universal credit. We stand up for the people of Wales where they have to deal with the consequences, the deliberate consequences, of his party's policies, which will create 50,000 more children in poverty here in Wales. We stand up for those people who go in every day to our public services—starved, to quote the leader of the opposition; cash starved by his party—to try and make those services as good as they can possibly be. We stand up for the people of Wales, and that's why, in 20 years of devolution, the people of Wales, in every election that they have been asked the question, have chosen to put the future of this country in the hands of the Labour Party. And that's what they'll be doing again on Thursday of this week.
The Leader of Plaid Cymru, Adam Price.
First Minister, how much money is being handed over to private sector management consultants to try and fix the Welsh NHS?
Llywydd, no money is handed over to private consultants. When we take the advice, for example, of the Public Accounts Committee here, urgently to employ additional assistance for our health boards, we take that advice. The money that we spend in securing that advice is a fraction, an absolute fraction, of what is used elsewhere in the United Kingdom.
First Minister, we both agree that creeping privatisation is a threat to the NHS. The surprising thing, perhaps, is that that threat, in part, comes from you. You're funding a management consultancy gravy train at a time when front-line staff and services like A&E are stretched to breaking point. Perhaps I can help you out with some of the figures, First Minister. Freedom of information requests have revealed that the big four consultancy firm PricewaterhouseCoopers was paid £335,000 for 12 weeks' work to deal with winter pressures in Betsi Cadwaladr. Don't you think that that money would have been better spent on more doctors, nurses and social carers to manage the winter crisis, rather than pen pushers with PowerPoint presentations?
As we see, Llywydd, the Member works hard overnight to produce his spontaneous additional questions on a Tuesday. This Government needs no lessons in keeping the private sector out of the health service here in Wales. Under the Labour Party, the NHS in Wales goes on being publicly funded, publicly provided—provided with the essence of the public service ethos which is what brings people in to work in our NHS every single day. Where we need to reinforce the efforts of those people by getting assistants to make sure that our systems are as good as they can be, that the support is there for them, we do that. I make no apology at all for doing that, because it allows us to make sure that our NHS goes on being what the British Medical Association said in the British Medical Journal recently—the Welsh NHS remains the closest to the founding spirit of Aneurin Bevan of any NHS in the United Kingdom.
First Minister, that same freedom of information disclosure also revealed that some of these management consultants in north Wales are being paid up to £1,000 a day, which is more than most nurses earn in a week. Now, let me present one more sobering statistic that points to your mismanagement of the NHS in north Wales: PwC are being engaged by you to cut costs—or, as it's euphemistically known, to find efficiency savings. You put them on a pay-as-you-cut contract that will see 11 per cent of any so-called saving paid back to them in a bonus. Now, don't you agree with Unison, which said over the identical practice in England, that instead of filling the pockets of management consultants, this money could have been better spent improving services for patients? When are you going to stop doing in Wales what your party is promising to stop in this election in the country next door?
Llywydd, this Government invests record amounts of money in our health services. The rise in investment in the health service in Wales last year was faster than in any other part of the United Kingdom. In return, we expect our health boards to manage that money with the best possible result, because that is the result that Welsh patients expect. And while the NHS in Wales is in our hands, then patients in Wales know that, here, they go on having free prescriptions, here, we have nurse bursaries. We don't need, as his party does—they put in their manifesto that they're going to restore something that they were responsible for cutting. Here, we never cut it at all. Here, patients have free parking in their hospitals. We don't need to put it in our manifesto here, because Welsh patients already have that.
Welsh patients understand, Llywydd. Welsh patients in north Wales understand—Welsh patients in north Wales understand that this Labour Government invests in providing them with a service of the sort that they recognise. Satisfaction rates in the north Wales NHS went up last year in both primary and secondary care. The leader of Plaid Cymru thinks that he's clever to shout at me about his question. What his question does is what he does as he trails around the television studios, which is to run down Wales. His party, the party of parts of Wales, those parts that they think it's worth putting up candidates to vote for them—his partial response in that area is typical of his response altogether. The Welsh NHS is safe in the hands of the Labour Party, recognised by patients across Wales, in north Wales, and in every part of Wales.
Leader of the Brexit Party, Mark Reckless.
First Minister, you and the Welsh Government have been influential as your party's policy on the EU referendum has evolved from saying you would respect it to doing the reverse. You claim the second referendum you want, because you don't like the result of the first, would be between a credible 'leave' option and 'remain'. Can you confirm that what you call a credible 'leave' option would be remaining in the EU customs union, remaining part of the EU's single market and remaining subject to the EU's freedom of movement? Wouldn't that be a rigged referendum between 'remain' and 'remain'?
I thank the Member for his question. He is a guide to us on the evolution of political positions, having evolved his way around this Chamber a number of times. Of course, he believes that nobody else should be allowed to change their mind, while he changes his mind with significant regularity.
In a referendum, and the only way, Llywydd, that people in Wales will ever get to have a second referendum is by voting Labour on Thursday—in that second referendum, there will be a viable 'leave' option offered to people, in which we will—to the regret of many of us. If we were to do that, we would have left the political institutions of the European Union, we would no longer be members of the European Union, but we would not do it in a way that guarantees damage to our economy, to jobs, to our future prospects.
First Minister, I've always backed Brexit, as you try to block Brexit as well as looking to rig the question for a second referendum. Has Welsh Government led the way for your party to rig the franchise? You lost your majority at the last Assembly election and you continue to lose traditional support. Rather than listening, learning and changing your policies, you've instead decided to follow East Germany's Bertolt Brecht by changing the electorate. Can you confirm that UK Labour—[Interruption.] Can you confirm that UK Labour is following the Welsh Government here too? As you lost on the current franchise, would your rigged referendum give the vote to 16-year-olds, EU nationals and prisoners?
Llywydd, I tried to listen hard to the question because I really wasn't following it at all. Where is the Member correct? He's correct in this: only a vote for the Labour Party will put this deeply divisive decision back in the hands of the people, where we believe it belongs. In that referendum, the party and the Government that I lead will campaign to remain, as we're entitled to do. Just as he will campaign to persuade people to leave, we will campaign to persuade people that our future is better off in the European Union. Do I think that 16-year-olds should have a vote in that election? I certainly do, because it is their future and the future of young people and the future of generations to come that would be at stake in such a referendum. Those young people deserve a chance to make their voice heard, to be persuaded by him or by me, because it is their future that will be at stake in any such choice.