6. Debate: The Children's Commissioner for Wales' Annual Report

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:07 pm on 10 December 2019.

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Photo of Julie Morgan Julie Morgan Labour 5:07, 10 December 2019

Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer, and thank you very much to the Members who've contributed to the debate, and thank you to those who thanked the children's commissioner for her work. I want to draw attention right at the beginning here that I didn't mention in my speech the creation of the Youth Parliament, and I'm very glad that Janet Finch-Saunders mentioned that because, obviously, that is a huge step forward in terms of giving a voice to children and it was obviously something that was strongly supported by the children's commissioner. So, thank you, Janet, very much for mentioning that.

Now, to pick up some of the issues that were raised, on the issue of residential care and the need for residential care for children who have complex needs, the Government absolutely acknowledges the need to commission specialist accommodation for children who have got complex needs, especially for those at risk of going into secure welfare or mental health placements, or who are stepping down from secure provision. And we do know that we have a great shortage of that sort of facility. It isn't just about increasing capacity; it's about promoting trauma-informed models of care. I think we've got to ensure that there are appropriate joint commissioning arrangements in place between health, social services and education so that the needs of these children are met and that they don't fall between different types of provision. We do know that there is a problem often in obtaining places for complex children with difficult needs, and it does happen that they do end up going sometimes outside Wales, sometimes going far from their own home, and this is something that we're working very hard to stop.

What this really links to is Neil McEvoy's point in his speech where he says that many children don't want to be in care. What we are trying to do in the Government is to reduce the number of children who need to be in care, and I know he supports that policy. But I think it is all caught up with having adequate provision for those children that do have to come into care. So, we are exploring this through the work of the children's residential care task and finish group, and we are promoting regional approaches through regional partnership boards and the integrated care fund, although I have to say progress is patchy. We have a lot more to do in this area.

So, we've commissioned a piece of work to develop and implement, to try and find solutions for this very small group of children, but very importantly that we get satisfactory provision for them. I hope we'll be able to report back within six months on these proposals and I hope we will be able to get a plan for the whole of Wales for our needs for this very complex group of children, and that we won't end up in a position where we have to send them out of country, out of county, and far from their homes, because it's absolutely right that children—we all know—want to be near their families, particularly want to be near their siblings, and we've got to make sure that this happens. So, we are doing this bit of work and I hope we'll get information from that that will enable us to move forward.

Another point made was about profit-making in fostering. Again, I think that is a very important point because I know that, sometimes, children are aware that people are making profit of looking after them and we really have to rebalance this provision, and that is one of the First Minister's priorities—to rebalance the social care provision. So, we want to encourage local authorities to do much more to ensure that we have fostering placements that are local authority fostering placements. So, we are responding to that recommendation in a very positive way.

Another issue was about the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child and how we make sure that it happens, which, I think, is the key issue. Now, I'm not completely rejecting any move towards any further legislation on this, but I'm very aware that the Deputy Minister for equalities and the Chief Whip is carrying out a bit of research that is looking at this in the round, and it's looking to see whether it may be possible. We may need a human rights Act in the next Parliament. So, we need, really, to look at this very carefully and in the round. So, this issue is not being rejected. What it is is that work is already going on and we want to make sure that there is an opportunity to address this in a holistic way all round.

And then the transport issue for children with special needs. The transport issue is particularly concerned with post 16 because that's where the issue is really arising, I think, and that's where I see it arising, and we will be carrying out the review, particularly looking at post 16. The comment, from the Government, that it seemed to be working fairly well, that is really with under-16s where it seems to be working very well. So, we'll be looking at the review for the post-16s, but, obviously, we want any child who needs transport to have it—