4. Debate on a Statement: Draft Budget 2020-21

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:07 pm on 7 January 2020.

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Photo of Huw Irranca-Davies Huw Irranca-Davies Labour 5:07, 7 January 2020

Would the Minister give way? Could I just say on that, when you actually humanise that story—I speak to constituents in very low-paid working families who, regardless of the criticism of how much further we could go with the childcare offer, tell me that they're £200 or £250 a week better off because they're not now paying for childcare and they've been able to expand their shifts in work as well and bring more money into the household. We don't have control of welfare, but things we can do are making a material difference. The danger, however—and I wonder if she'd agree with me on this—is it's a bit like when we introduced the winter fuel allowance for pensioners. It happens now, it arrives in the cheque, people say, 'Oh, we've always had that', but they only have these things because there's a Labour Government here or in Westminster.