Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:05 pm on 7 January 2020.
I'd like to simply raise two issues with you this afternoon, Minister, and I'm grateful to you for the statement. First of all, to emphasise again the importance of inter-governmental arrangements and the machinery of Government. We do have some experience of working in international negotiations with the United Kingdom Government through our membership of the European Union, and we do have in place a number of templates that we are able to use, I believe, in order to ensure that we do have the sort of relationship that you have discussed and described this afternoon and at other times.
I believe that the memorandum of understanding that we agreed in 2012 for engagement with the European Union is a good starting point for a new structure that will ensure that both the Welsh and Scottish Governments, particularly—but Northern Ireland arrangements as well—are able to work alongside the United Kingdom Government to ensure that we have a position that is supported by the whole of the United Kingdom and not simply the Government of the United Kingdom. I hope that that is important.
It's also important—and I speak to the Chair as well, the Deputy Presiding Officer—to ensure that our democracy is able to keep ensuring that we have the methods and mechanisms of accountability to ensure that, whatever new structures are in place, there is proper democratic accountability for those structures. That speaks to this place—not to the Government, but to this place—and also to the arrangements that we have in place with the UK Parliament and the Scottish Parliament to ensure that there is proper accountability and proper democracy overseeing any new inter-governmental machinery that is put in place.
The second point that I wish to make is that of values. We talk, in terms of trade, sometimes as if that is happening within a vacuum. For me, trade and our approach and our policy has to be rooted in our values. When we reach agreements with third countries, then this isn't simply a matter of ensuring that we have the tariffs in place and the mechanisms at the border and behind the border in order to ensure that we have frictionless trade, but that we have a relationship of values as well, so that the debates that we have in this place—whether they are about sustainability or equality or welfare rights or the rights of working people—are also rooted into these agreements as well.
I was very pleased to hear you saying, Minister, that you are strengthening the capacity of the Welsh Government to address these matters. I believe that that is absolutely essential and important. But, it is also important that we don't just have the technical expertise and the structural ability to provide pressure and influence on these matters, but that we also do so with a strong sense of being able to deliver our core values.