5. Statement by the Minister for International Relations and Welsh Language: Update on Trade Policy

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:30 pm on 7 January 2020.

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Photo of Darren Millar Darren Millar Conservative 5:30, 7 January 2020

Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer, and can I thank the Minister for an advance copy of her statement today? I'm a little surprised by the tone of the statement, because, of course, you say you want a close working relationship with the UK Government and yet you do everything that you can to offend them in terms of the things, frankly, that you have just said. 

To start your statement by lauding the Labour Party's performance in the recent general election, when you lost a significant number of seats in Wales, I think many people would find pretty rich, including on your own benches.

You also, of course, made a number of idle threats about what you're going to do if the UK Government don't listen to you. You're going to table amendments in the House of Lords and you'll put the kibosh on this and the kibosh on that, when the reality is that you have very little ability to stop whatever the UK Government wants to do. So, as I said in my contribution in First Minister's questions today, I think it would be far better if you had a team UK approach when it comes to trying to get the best possible deals for Wales when it comes to our future trade arrangements internationally, rather than having this combative approach all the time. Now I'm the first one to say that I'm very combative myself and to acknowledge—[Interruption.]—and to acknowledge my shortcomings in that respect. However, I do think that when it comes to intergovernmental relationships it's very, very important to get off on the right step. We have a new UK Government, we have a new Secretary of State for Wales and a new Wales Office Minister as well, and I think, frankly, it would be far better if the Welsh Government was making warmer noises in respect of that relationship, going forward.

You also, of course, seem to still be harking back to pre-general election debates—the same old shroud waving about the damage that Brexit is going to do to the Welsh economy. Now, it's up to you whether you want to keep that scratched record on the table, still going around and around, but, again, I'm not quite sure that's helpful. I think the people of Wales and the people of the UK have moved on, frankly—they want to get Brexit done, they're supporting a UK Government, which has a very clear and a significantly bigger mandate than your Government has here in Wales in terms of the arithmetic in this National Assembly, and I think that, instead of that scaremongering, what you should be doing is talking up the opportunities for Welsh businesses and looking for the places that you think can be identified where Welsh business internationally would be able to prosper.

You mention in your statement that you're going to establish an expert stakeholder advisory group. I wonder if you could tell us a little bit more about the timetable for the establishment of that group, how big you think it needs to be, which industries should and shouldn't be represented on it, whether that will be a formal stakeholder advisory group where members will be paid, and, if so, what are they going to be paid, because I do think that there will potentially be—given the influence you clearly want to exert in every single trade deal, given what you've said in your statement, I do think there will be a capacity issue, an expertise issue and challenge for you within the Welsh Government if you want these sorts of levels of influence, if, effectively, you want a seat at every negotiating table, which I think frankly is a bit impractical. 

I, for one, trust the UK Government, with the Wales Office and the Department for International Trade, to represent all parts of the United Kingdom and the United Kingdom's interests as a whole. And, of course, there will be trade-offs. Within England also, there will be trade-offs between different regions within England, let alone between the different nations of the United Kingdom. And, of course, it's for Her Majesty's Government, frankly, to weigh those in the balance, and decide which trade agreements should proceed and on what basis.

Now I accept—I accept—and I think it's absolutely right that the Welsh Government should be informed, should be kept up to date, should be allowed to state its priorities. I think they're all perfectly reasonable things for any Government to do. But I think to suggest—. And I think the direction of travel with what you were saying was almost that you'll have a veto on things, and perhaps you can tell us whether that's your stated intention as a Government. That will not necessarily be very helpful. So, I look forward to the publication of your international trade strategy. I think that you could do with one, because I'm not quite sure that we got all of the detail that we needed today. I know that you've got an international strategy, but I think an international trade strategy would be quite helpful in terms of where you want the investment to come in from, where you think we can do business in the world as a small nation within the UK. And, if you've done any of that scoping work then perhaps you'd be able to share it with us as Assembly Members.

But I want you to know this, in closing. I want you to know this: on this side of the Chamber we're prepared to work with the Welsh Government and the wider stakeholder base here in Wales in order to promote trade. One of the things that we have called for over the years is for the Welsh Government to appoint trade envoys from all political parties and no political parties in order to make the case for improved trade relationships between Wales and the wider world. Will you now consider doing just that in order that we can make a team Wales within a team UK approach really work for the benefit of everybody?