'No deal' hasn't gone away, it's just been deferred, so we are going to have to be very imaginative in the way in which we're going to protect our communities. As the special rapporteur warns, it's going to affect the most vulnerable and disadvantaged members of society, who are going to be least able to cope with changes and will take the biggest hit. So, we're going to have to rely on our ingenuity to create and keep wealth in Wales if we are to avoid the significant public discontent, further division, and even instability that the special rapporteur warns about.

I was interested to listen to Huw Irranca-Davies about the Ewenny Road site, because I would recommend that he looks at the Goldsmith scheme in Norwich, which is in the centre of Norwich and which won the Stirling prize, and which has been a wonderful way of regenerating an area at the centre of a town. That's the sort of thing I would like to see. I feel that good planning is essential to good regeneration, because you can see how seaside towns like Llandudno, Conwy, Aberaeron, et cetera, they've all been well planned, and that's why they continue to thrive and people continue to want to live there. Other areas have had disastrous planning decisions imposed on them and, as a result, they have suffered. So, we need to ensure that we have really good planning in the way that we develop our towns in the future. I'm confident that we can do really exciting things now that we've got all the good examples from the innovative housing programme, and we need to ensure that we build on that.

Walking round my constituency in the last two or three months, I have been thinking quite hard about why some people keep their front gardens neat and tidy while others think it's fine to use them as a dog toilet or a rubbish dump. And I think this is a really important issue for people living in communities. Why should people have to put up with other people's selfishness and laziness? So, I think there's a real challenge for all local authorities to ensure that all residents are taking pride in their neighbourhood and playing their part rather than leaving it to other people to do. In the worst case, I have people saying, 'Why hasn't the council done anything about the litter?' The council doesn't throw the litter, actually. So, as well as celebrating the work that the voluntary litter pickers do, co-ordinated by Keep Wales Tidy—and I think this is a really good example of a very small amount of money that's invested in Keep Wales Tidy to co-ordinate these volunteer litter pickers, without which our communities would be much the poorer—I think there's a lot we can learn from places like Wigan, where the Wigan Deal has actually engaged the whole community in getting them to say what is important to them and how we can all take pride in our community and be part of it and ensure that we think it's—. They've got them saying, 'Together, we will create a clean, green place that we all look after and enjoy.' And I think we need to do that in all our communities to ensure that we're all doing that.

I want to also commend the work done by Swansea council in getting everybody involved in recycling, because it isn't fair if 80 per cent of people are doing their recycling and 10 per cent are saying, 'I can't be bothered; I'm just going to shove it in the black bag', and that increases the cost to councils for disposing of those black bags. And so, I think the work done by the trainee recycling officers to actually inspect black bags and talk to residents and say, 'You know, you will get fined if you don't change your ways' has actually saved £300,000 in just a few short months. And that's the sort of thing I would like to see all local authorities doing. Why is it that most of us recycle and some people don't recycle? Clearly, there can be mental health issues or learning difficulties, and those have to be taken into consideration, but in some cases it's just downright laziness and 'I can't be bothered', and that's the sort of thing we simply can't accept. So, I welcome this debate.

I'm very glad that Mike Hedges has seen off the pseudo arguments about Communities First. Communities First wasn't working well, but it could have been, in my view, revised, and we certainly need poverty eradication programmes to keep going on ensuring we have a more cohesive society. Otherwise, we are really setting up problems for the future.