Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:02 pm on 8 January 2020.
You may indeed be right, and I welcome the comprehensive way in which you've gone through some of the policies there that lie with Westminster. You may well be right that they will not change, but it is interesting that some of those MPs elected in former Labour areas are now going to have constituents washing up into their surgeries who will confront them with the realities of this. So, I don't think we should give up hope, if this Assembly were to send a concerted message to Westminster in the budget that is due in March, to actually look at those issues over (1) the vulnerable constituents who are on welfare, and what would be needed to redress some of that, but, secondly, the simple old fact of making work pay.