I'm glad that you selected your—not quite top 10, but you were almost there, I think, of heroes. And I'm also glad to see the word 'heroes' used not in the context of some individualistic achievement, as sometimes does happen, even with sporting heroes and other heroes, but that we celebrate the fact that these heroes come from a community, from a train of thought, from a social experience, which they then take to achieve for themselves. But they're not just achieving for themselves, they're achieving for the culture that they come from.

I have always had a strong personal interest in the civil war in the Spanish nations, and I was privileged in my own life to have known and had very interesting conversations with Tom Jones, who was universally known—in Welsh, certainly, and probably in English as well in Wales—as Twm Sbaen. His experience and his contribution, not only during the conflict in Spain but to the politics of the trade union movement and of the left and of internationalism in Wales, is a very distinguished one.

I was also pleased that you mentioned the events in Ukraine, with which obviously you have a strong personal and family connection, and I think we still have much to learn about the struggle of Ukraine throughout the nineteenth century and from the twentieth century to the twenty-first century. To select the figure of Gareth Jones reminds us again of the importance of independent journalism and the ability of people to speak out, along with, as you've described, Malcolm Muggeridge. I was not aware that there is in Kyiv a street named after him, and I was very pleased to hear that and I look forward to supporting your attempts and others' to ensure that he is recognised as well equally in Wales.

John Hughes, again, a distinguished meteorologist and engineer. How many Welsh people or Welsh-born people have established a city? I can't think of one offhand. No doubt there is some significant nonconformist figure that should have come to my mind. Maybe, actually, it would be that the Mormons would be the equivalent, in Salt Lake City. But certainly, to have done that and to have established a manufacturing centre is a distinguished contribution.

And then, coming closer to our time, through the history of the miners' union, we come to Bertrand Russell now. I'm pleased to say in this Chamber that I did actually have the honour of meeting Bertrand Russell in the context of the peace movement, in the context of the contribution that he made with his famous telegram sent from Penrhyndeudraeth to Washington and Moscow at the time of the Cuban missile crisis, which was a very frightening period for me as a relatively young man and for many other people. He was certainly a great philosopher and a great humanist. I don't think he was much of a Welsh nationalist, but I can't criticise him for that.

Clearly, the other international figures that you mentioned: there is a strong urge, especially among my colleague the Minister for international relations, that we celebrate Robert Owen properly, and we will do that. But it's also important that in those celebrations we're able to recognise that internationalism as it was promoted by these sons and daughters of Wales is something that we need to recapture today. This place is not just about devolution for Wales, it's about what Wales can continue to contribute to the international scene.