Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:55 pm on 15 January 2020.
So, I'd like to congratulate Leanne on the timing of this debate, because, obviously it coincides with the disgraceful situation that occurred in Cyprus. It seems to me that the message is loud and clear that nobody should go on holiday to Cyprus, because the criminal justice system in Cyprus simply won't keep you safe. The failure by the Cypriot police to follow the most basic procedural safeguards when interviewing this young woman is something I hope we will never see again in this country. And I'm assuming that, eventually, it will lead to a reversal of the decision that was handed down in the courts. I'm sure it has been counterproductive—their attempt to protect the image of Cyprus as a tourist destination has actually had the reverse outcome.
I just wanted to talk a little bit about the conviction rates. I'm pleased that south Wales is actually doing a lot better than the other three police forces, because 55 in 100 domestic abuse crimes they deal with do lead to prosecution, compared with 27 or 28 out of 100 in other policing areas. And this is better, but, obviously, it's not sufficient, because we have to remember that, on top of the ones that are recorded as domestic violence crimes, there are many other incidents that the police deal with that are not recorded as a crime. And then, of course, there are all the others that never go anywhere near the police.
Last week, I was fascinated to listen to Sally Challen and her son David talk about their situation, and congratulations to Bethan Sayed for organising that. For those who are not familiar with this, here's a woman in her sixties who, after years and years of marriage, suddenly decided that she had to kill this man. And, of course, it was after years of coercive control that was in plan sight to her friends, not so much her family, but her friends, her neighbours, and in some instances, the police. So, what could anybody have done to prevent that level of coercion leading to the unfortunate death of somebody who was, obviously, a very unpleasant guy? And nobody spoke up in his favour. All the people at the trial were supportive of this woman—all the friends of the family, the relatives, including her two sons. It does tell us, as Sally said, that there are all too many people who face this sort of situation. What she said in an interview was,
'A lot of the problem is that women don't know they're in a relationship of coercive control. It’s family, friends and relatives who do see it. Somehow they have to speak to that person and convince them to leave. They don't seem to be able to break that tie. It’s a very strong tie and the women are very vulnerable'.
And, obviously, she's speaking about herself, but there are many other people in Sally Challen's situation. So, I think, finally, I just want to say it's so important that we've got our relationship and sexuality curriculum coming up because this is where we will get good relationships built into our young people and that emotional resilience that goes with that.