7. Plaid Cymru Debate: Rape and Sexual Abuse

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:45 pm on 15 January 2020.

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Photo of Mandy Jones Mandy Jones UKIP 5:45, 15 January 2020

Diolch, Llywydd. I formally move the amendments in Caroline Jones's name. I thank Plaid Cymru for tabling this debate today. It raises important issues that go to the core of what sort of country we are and what we want to be.

I was horrified to read the reports of the case in Cyprus that hit the headlines last week, and horrified again today to see the reports of an effective cover-up of yet more industrial grooming and rapes of children in the care system, this time in Greater Manchester. When did we start blaming victims? When did we acquire an underclass of victims where some stories are more credible than others? And in the case last week, when did young men start to think it's totally acceptable or that it's a rite of passage for a group of 10 or more to have sex with one woman? So, while this debate is about the criminal justice system, there are also broader considerations about education, parenting and the availability of porn and so on.

I turn now to our amendments. I don't accept that powers being devolved to this place will, in itself, lead to the desired outcomes. Indeed, every week, we debate and scrutinise the powers we already have and what the Government has done with them here. When the health service is as challenged as it is; when an improvement that keeps us at the bottom of the Programme for International Student Assessment results for the UK is seen as a success, I have no confidence that this Assembly or this Government would be any better at criminal justice than the UK Government, to be quite honest. But I do look forward to full discussion in this Chamber on the full report in due course, especially with regard to how conviction rates will be improved. While I've expressed my appreciation for the bringing of this debate, and I fully express my group's support for victims—male, female, child and adult—I do feel that we get mixed messages, particularly from Plaid Cymru and Welsh Labour. How does giving a vote to rapists and sexual abusers, as you propose, show support for the victims? How do you reconcile your vocal calls for a reduction in those going to prison with the victims' right to justice? I do believe that the cuts to public services over the last 10 years have had a disproportionate effect on access to justice, and certainly, the Crown Prosecution Service. The latter, to my mind, is definitely not fit for purpose, and changes do need to be made and confidence restored.

I'd like to turn now to sentencing. Those convicted of these crimes must have meaningful sentences that seek to rehabilitate, and yes, punish. In a case uncomfortably close to home, a judge deemed a loss of good character and a fall from grace as enough punishment in a child porn case, where children are sexually abused and raped to create these images online. This sentence added insult to very grave injury—[Interruption.] Yes.

A note of caution in this quest for justice: lives are ruined by false allegations of rape and sexual abuse, and those making those false allegations also make it harder for genuine victims. So, a balance needs to be struck. I'm not sure how that happens, but I think we can all agree that the current processes are just not working and they have actually been going backwards and haven't worked for a long time. This is not right and something needs to be done as soon as possible. Thank you.