I'm grateful to you, Minister. I will come in to support the comments made by my good friend from Caerphilly, because it does create a very much us-and-them environment between the hinterland and the city of Cardiff, and the one thing history has taught us is that if Cardiff succeeds, the Valleys succeed, and if the Valleys succeeds, Cardiff succeeds. Separation and division will not enable either of us to succeed.

I do welcome the White Paper from the council in Cardiff. I wish other local authorities had the same capacity to develop similar proposals. But the point made about a Valleys tax is well made, and it will not be acceptable to Members representing central and eastern Valleys constituencies.

But I would say to you, Minister, that I do applaud the thrust of your argument, but the point you make on buses would be a better point if the Welsh Government wasn't proposing to cut the current subsidy to buses in the current budget. What we need to do is certainly have the legislation that you've debated and discussed, and I will be very happy to support that, but in the meantime, we need to sustain and support the bus services we currently have.