Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:20 pm on 22 January 2020.
Then, the link between FEs and employers, again, was made by several Members. David Rowlands, I thought very fair mindedly, started with a tribute to the Welsh Government's vocational programmes, as he put it, and commended what he thought was a lot of activity that had been positive. He did then kind of lapse into his previous speech in the debate that we held earlier, and there were lots of lexicological disputes about a particular word, which I'm not going to mention. But I do think we need to be slightly kinder to each other sometimes. I think tone, context and intent is what drives the usage of words, and I have to say that I have some sympathy with the irritation he felt earlier.
Andrew R.T. Davies then talked about FEs being the main route for many young people to develop their skills. We quite properly talk about universities a lot, but for many, many students, FEs are much more significant, and I thought that did rebalance the debate. He talked, of course, about the agricultural sector—this is what we'd expect—but with such force, and he was the only person to really address this in this afternoon's debate. Sadly, only about 1 per cent of apprenticeships are in the agricultural sector at the moment, and that is quite a sobering thought. He mentioned the great capital investment that's gone on at Cardiff and Vale College, and I understand there are other examples. Anyone who goes to the Dumballs Road site—it's just a pure pleasure to see those students surrounded by these outstanding facilities. I recommend the restaurant there, amongst many other things that they have.
Janet Finch-Saunders, I thought you had the best image of the day: skills are the Achilles' heel of the Welsh dragon. That image really captivated people and made them think about how important it is that we rectify the current drag we have in too many areas because we're not strengthening skills as much as we should. Because they do drive improvement in economic performance as well as bringing great benefit to people individually as well. You also mentioned that private sector influence is important, and the partnerships that are there so that employers can drive many of the strategic approaches taken to skills development. I think these were very, very important points. I would add, in terms of skills, that is probably the best lever we have. We have a lot of power there, and we expend a lot of money as well, it should be said. We need to do that efficiently and effectively. This is something that I think is sometimes overlooked—just how powerful that lever is to a devolved institution.
Kirsty then replied and, I think, agreed with a lot of what we put forward. Of course, this Government is committed to improving skills, as the Minister said, so that Wales can thrive. I don't think anyone doubts that that commitment is a very sincere one and that this is even more important for a post-Brexit economy. And again, I think everyone in this Chamber would agree.
If I might be permitted, Deputy Presiding Officer, at this point, a hint of criticism. I did think a certain didactic tone then entered your peroration at this point, as you told us off for having a motion that just referred to what was already embedded in the Welsh Government approach. I then thought, 'Well, this, in a way, is a funny kind of compliment', but then you sort of spoiled it by saying it's impossible to have three-year budgets. The fiscal environment has been very challenging—that is certainly true. We've had big changes in terms of administrations, then a general election, and much of this has led to further challenges. I do politely remind you that it was your party and the Labour Party that prevented us having an earlier general election. If that had happened earlier in the autumn—[Interruption.]—then these things may have been a little easier to manage.
I do appreciate the point that our budgetary approaches in the UK have not been terribly well fitted to three-year budgets. We need to get better here, so that we're developing indicative budgets and approaches where there is some sort of assurance about the level that will be given. I don't think—at least, I'd sincerely hope that we're not going to be seeing the sort of sudden financial disruption that we had in the financial crisis. So, I don't think we're going to have a sudden change in the UK Government's approach, and they have said that we are now moving beyond the austerity period.
Can I finally say, I thought the point you made about the need to look at higher skills was both very well made and added a lot to the debate? Master's degree programmes: there's again a lot of evidence that they're even more important to an economy than the number of PhD completions, because many people who do Master's programmes then want to use them in some entrepreneurial fashion. So, I thought the point you made was a very positive way to finish.
I do thank everyone for their contributions this afternoon, and I do urge you to support our motion, unamended.