The next item is the motion under Standing Order 16.3 to establish a committee, and I call on a member of the Business Committee to move the motion, Siân Gwenllian.

Motion NDM7242 Elin Jones

The National Assembly for Wales, in accordance with Standing Order 16.3, agrees to alter the name and remit of the Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee, so that they are as follows:

a) the Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee;

b) to carry out the functions of the responsible committee set out in Standing Order 21 and to consider any other matter relating to legislation, justice and the constitution within or relating to the competence of the Assembly or the Welsh Ministers, including the quality of legislation.

Motion moved.

Formally. 

The proposal is to agree the motion. Does any Member object? No, therefore the motion is agreed— [Interruption.] 

Are you objecting to the proposal to establish a committee? 

To rename the committee, and I want to speak on that as well. 

It's the same one. You're objecting. 

Yes, that was an objection, and I thought I'd asked to speak. 

If you want to speak, you can speak. I'm sorry, you're not down in front of me, but that's—. I will go with the flow of it and call you to speak. 

Diolch, Llywydd, much appreciated. I'm not sure what happened there. 

I object to the motion for two reasons. One is simply in terms of timing. Welsh Government has for some time trailed a debate on the justice commission report, and I think the first thing this morning we had an e-mail announcing the motion under that would be Tuesday of next week. I think it would be better for consideration of renaming this committee to include 'justice' to follow that debate, rather than precede it.

Also, although there are areas of Welsh Government responsibility that are tangential and touch on the justice area, overall this would be fulfilling a recommendation of the justice commission, and that is based on devolving justice to Wales. Justice is not currently devolved to Wales. We complain about how many committees we have to serve on and the amount of work involved. I would question whether it is sensible to add to the workload of a committee an area—justice—that is not currently devolved. I recognise that some Members—perhaps a majority of Members—wish that to be the case, but I believe we should structure our committees around our responsibilities as they are, rather than as some Members might like them to be. 

Thank you. Mick Antoniw. 

Thank you, Llywydd. I hadn't intended to speak, but in response to those particular comments, which I consider actually are very misleading—. Because although justice per se is not devolved, we have considerable justice functions and we have no mechanism for the scrutiny of those justice functions and to evaluate them, nor indeed to evaluate the recommendations of a particularly important report. So, it seems to me that this is a very sensible move forward. It's one that I am supportive of, it's one that I've kept the members of my committee involved in, and I do not support the objection being made. 

Will the Member give way? 

I think the Member has finished his contribution, sorry. There are no further speakers wishing to contribute, so I re-ask the question, whether—. No, I'm going to have to ask it in Welsh as it's in Welsh in front of me.

The proposal is to agree the motion. Does any Member object? [Objection.] I defer voting, therefore, under this item until voting time.

My instantaneous translation wasn't as good as I thought it was. 

Voting deferred until voting time.