I'm not here to defend the Conservative Government. I'm not a Conservative Member of this Assembly.

I want to stick to the health service. Health absorbs half the Welsh Government budget, and it's growing, and it's bound to grow because the needs are growing faster than the means of dealing with them, and that's true of the population as a whole throughout the United Kingdom. So, we have to grow up when we're talking about funding the health service. This idea that because parts of the health service have been so-called privatised—Llyr Gruffydd mentioned some in north Wales in the course of his speech. This, I think, is an inevitability to a great extent. What is wrong with contracting out certain services if you can perform those functions more cost-effectively, and therefore it leaves you with more money to use on the other parts of the service that remain in the public sector?

Other countries in Europe have mixed health systems and they don't have this primitive debate that we have in this country between private and public. They recognise that, in order to solve the complex health needs and the even more complex, perhaps, financial complications behind the funding of it, we do need to have a more flexible system that is capable of getting more money in. People have to be persuaded to spend more of their own money, if the Government can't tax it from them; that, ultimately, is the way to have better health services.