No, I want to make this point first before I give way. I will give way, but I want to make this point first.

Yes, Wales does badly out of the Barnett formula. I fully accept that. And if it were based on needs, Wales would have a lot more money and we'd have more money to put into the health service. But the idea that a Tory Government at Westminster is ever going to give more money to a Labour Government in Wales is, of course, moonshine. And given that, overwhelmingly over my lifetime, Wales has elected a preponderance of left-wing Members of Parliament, there is a systemic difficulty here that can't be removed, so long as we have the devolution settlement that we've got.

I'll give way to Mick Antoniw.