Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 6:38 pm on 29 January 2020.
I rise as somebody who had six years as a fisheries Minister, and who agrees wholeheartedly that the common fisheries policy is a disaster. It's encouraged over-fishing, encouraged mechanised forms of fishing that have literally dredged sea beds of their life and is still a problem now. So, I shed no tears for the common fisheries policy, but I think it is important that we are realistic about what can be delivered here.
Britain's fisheries began their decline many, many, many decades ago, and by the 1960s most of the fisheries were dead, long before we entered the European Union. And I do caution Members who suggest that somehow those stocks can suddenly bounce back overnight; they clearly won't be able to do that. We were as guilty of over-fishing as the EU has been with the common fisheries policy.
Secondly, I think it's again worth emphasising that the 200-mile zone, which I asked David Rowlands about, doesn't actually exist, in the main, for the UK around these islands. Ireland is 80 miles away from Wales. So, clearly, there's not a 200-mile zone around the UK in the western part, otherwise the whole of Ireland would be included in it, and it's the same in most of the North sea. And it does mean, of course, that not only does there have to be fisheries management between the four nations of the UK, but if we take the Irish sea, as an example, there has to be joint management with the EU. Otherwise, the management of the fisheries doesn't work, because fish, as Andrew R.T. Davies has rightly said, will swim back and forth over the boundaries. So, we still will need co-operation with the EU in the future.