Thanks to the First Minister for bringing today's debate, which is, indeed, an important one, and I've listened carefully to what other Members have been saying.

It's clear that one key issue is that of funding. We've heard a lot about the underfunding of things like legal aid and the running of the court service in Wales, and these are very real issues, but they're also issues in England. They are not problems unique to Wales. There is no good reason to believe that even if the justice system was more devolved to Wales there would be more money available.

I always remember what a former Cabinet Minister in this place used to say in the Chamber about calling for more devolution. 'Be careful what you wish for or you will end up with the UK Government devolving the issue but not fully funding it', he would say. That was the advice we regularly heard from Carl Sargeant, and we also heard similar advice last week from Chris Bryant, the Labour MP for the Rhondda, when this subject was debated in Westminster Hall. 

However, I'm not too convinced that the UK Government is very interested in engaging with this report. When we had a statement on this subject here in the Chamber last November, the First Minister said that the publication of the report was a watershed moment, and we've recently heard a couple of minutes ago from Leanne Wood who said something similar; I think she used the phrase that it was a 'landmark' moment. However, when a UK Government Minister, Chris Philp, spoke on the same report last week in Westminster Hall, he said the UK Government wasn't even going to respond formally to the recommendations. That's how seriously the Ministry of Justice and the UK Government in general takes this report. 

We have to bear in mind that this is a report that wasn't even commissioned by the UK Government, which has responsibility for justice. It was commissioned by the then First Minister in this place. There are question marks over its independence given the close links between our former First Minister and the chairman of the commission, Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd. [Interruption.] No, I won't. Carwyn Jones appointed Lord Thomas to chair that commission—.