The chairman and the board clearly had run out of patience with the chief executive, but let me say clearly that the people of the north of Wales have run out of patience with the failure of the health board, in direct partnership, of course, with this Labour Welsh Government. They have nothing but respect for dedicated health workers, but they need to have their faith restored that Betsi Cadwaladr health board is fit for purpose.

I have no desire to pursue reorganisation for its own sake, but I've certainly concluded, and more and more people in and around the national health service tell me that they agree with me, that there may already be no option now but to split up this failing health board—a step, as things stand now, I would be willing to take if I were to become health Minister after next year's election. But it's now up to the new leadership, both interim and permanent, and the Welsh Government to prove over the next year and a half or so that things can be turned around in order to avoid that. All eyes now are on the board, on the executives and on you, Minister.

I have five questions here. I understand, firstly, that the health board will continue to pay Gary Doherty through not only the severance period but also through his secondment to Lancashire Teaching Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust. Do you believe that that can be justified? Secondly, can I ask whether the appointment of Simon Dean, who is NHS Wales's deputy chief executive, of course, as interim boss marks a stepping up in some way of special measures? Thirdly, is it your expectation that when a permanent chief executive is appointed that he or she should have a deep understanding and experience of delivering healthcare in the kind of area that we have in the north of Wales—a largely rural area and a bilingual area? Fourthly, will the Welsh Government outline the expectations of the performance of the new chief executive? I would appreciate avoiding vague terms like 'improving matters'. Finally, do you agree with me that it isn't just about one individual? It's about the lack of leadership of the Welsh Government too, and the ability to have managerial teams capable of delivering improvements that, so far, we haven't seen.