Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:47 pm on 26 February 2020.
I'm grateful for you giving way. Just two points: firstly, nations have parliaments. If Wales did not have any kind of democratic institution such as this but Scotland did, Northern Ireland did and there was one in Westminster, we would not be a nation, we would effectively be in a position where we were actually less important than Manchester or London, who have democratic institutions. Secondly, what he's arguing is people in Wales are really too stupid to vote for his kind of politics, so therefore this institution should be abolished as a result. Now he's arguing that the real problem is democracy, not the Assembly.