Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 3:35 pm on 3 March 2020.
Now, the Chancellor has already briefed that he's asked his officials to look at the potential impact of coronavirus ahead of the UK budget on 11 March. I actually think we're going to need to see what may be necessary in terms of contingency, and to look not just, if you like, about a straight Barnett share for everything that may or may not happen, but actually to think about the actual impact of the condition. Because it may be that different parts of the UK see differential impact. Wales could be fortunate and escape relatively lightly compared to other parts of the UK, or we could have a differential impact, or the impact could be evenly spread across each of the four nations. And actually, my perspective is that I want to see resources go where the need requires those resources to go. And in directing need, again, that will be based on the advice of the science, but also of our chief medical officer, about where and how we make the biggest difference.
In terms of speeding up a return to practice for retired staff, that would require some change in UK legislation. That's a matter that's under active consideration, with a potential Bill. And of course we still have a four-nations perspective on most matters of registration. So, they're a UK—these are reserved powers, and they're things that we would actually support; that's why it's in the joint action plan that all four Governments have signed up to, as a matter to consider.
I completely agree with your point about dignity for people in self-isolation. There's a point about how the public generally behave if someone is self-isolating, and some points about prejudice and people's concern, but equally then about the remote contact that people can still have while people are in a period of self-isolation. For most of us, the idea of being at home for 14 days may initially sound rather attractive, but, actually, 14 days on your own, at home, not having normal access to things, I think it is quite difficult for people. And even when we had managed larger isolation for the first two flights back from China, for example, that's been difficult for people who have gone through that, and we do need to understand that.
In terms of the points about guidance for major events, we know that the six nations have taken this really seriously. Football authorities are already thinking ahead to the FIFA finals, and the potential impact to that, because, of course, it's taking place across a dozen cities within Europe. And if we're still in a containment phase, then actually that may affect the way that some of those events do or don't take place. We've already seen the decision taken about the Italy-Ireland game as well. So, there are conversations that can take place. We want to make sure that we don't up leading the conversations by making an announcement before a conversation has taken place with Wales's sporting bodies, or any other large event, about what the appropriate advice is, but again to do so on the basis of appropriate advice that is given. And I'd want to seek the direct advice of our own CMO about whether to ask people to not run events in those circumstances, and we may then end up considering whether there would need to be ministerial powers to do so. But that would be part of a conversation about the Bill, and, again, the requirements for any powers to be exercised, if they existed, would really have to be led by there being a genuine emergency situation within the country at large.
On travel advice, again, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office website is a definitive source of guidance about travel. The Welsh Government has repeated that, and referred to it in our own guidance, which is publicly available. That's also repeated through the information that Public Health Wales provide, about the way that people behave in the here and now, but also in the future as well.
And on your point about employers—. There's a secondary point I want to make about lenders. But, on employers, again, as I say, we have raised points, both between officials, but also in ministerial conversations, about statutory sick pay, about wanting to see that paid from day one. Because that would mean that people who do need to follow advice to self-isolate aren't concerned about the potential challenge for them and their family if they don't do so—there's a financial penalty in doing so. But also, my Labour colleague Jonathan Ashworth asked Matt Hancock in the House of Commons earlier about the potential for legislation to consider those people who are not just part of the gig economy, but those people on zero hours, to try to make sure if there are measures that could be taken to make sure that they don't suffer a loss of income that could see them otherwise continue to go into work, as opposed to following the appropriate advice to self-isolate.
The final point on it was not just about employers, and, if you like, the soft power the Government can have to have conversations with those employers' organisations, but it's a point about lenders as well, and, if we were to reach a point where coronavirus had a much wider impact on the way that people conduct public life—whether small, medium or large businesses—about not wanting to see lenders take precipitate action that could cause an otherwise decent business that should continue to potentially collapse through the potential issues that coronavirus may provide. Those are conversations that are taking place, both in terms of what each Government may do individually, but in particular the Chancellor's ability, at a UK level, to have some of those conversations about the way that lenders themselves behave.
So, you can see this isn't just a health issue: it really has a whole-Government, whole society potential impact, if we move to the stage where we do reach pandemic status. But, at this point in time today, people should go about their normal day-to-day business, their normal way of behaving, and, to repeat the advice that has gone on before, to 'catch it, kill it and bin it' and to take seriously the advice and guidance people are given by public health authorities.