Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:00 pm on 3 March 2020.
We're not going to vote against this, but there are a few questions that have been raised, actually, and I think I'd be interested in hearing your response to those before we come to voting. I know that some within the sector, for example, have queried whether the legislation actually requires funding to be paid to farmers, or whether devolved nations could actually use the money for something else, if they choose to do so. If it is the latter, then clearly I think some out there would have an issue—and EU regulations wouldn't have allowed that to happen, of course. But there is a question as to whether this proposed legislation ensures or requires that that money goes to farmers who would, of course, be in receipt of that money if we were subject to the EU regulations that have been in place previously.
Also, there's a concern from some that the Bill takes account of the Bew review recommendations, which some have been quite critical of, particularly the fact that Scottish agriculture, in one of its recommendations, has received the equivalent of an additional £1,300 on average per farmer, compared to £150 per farmer in Wales on average, which means that the average Scottish farm payment is around 175 per cent of the average Welsh payment. Now, the Bill effectively opens the door for a far larger differential between Scottish farmers and farmers elsewhere in the UK. And again, EU rules would have had something to say about that. So, I'd be interested in your response to that prospect as well, because it does raise broader questions about the long term funding arrangements that we will have and how payments in future years would be administered and how funding will be allocated to devolved nations. I'm sure you'll tell us that this is a one-off for this year, very much a temporary thing—I've no reason to doubt that—but, of course, they told us that about the Barnett formula, and look where it got us.