While I cannot support the lead amendment in this group, I have some sympathy with what the Minister is seeking to do. However, I believe that this place, not Welsh Ministers, is best placed to appoint members to the citizen voice body. I therefore choose to support Angela's amendments.

The citizen voice body is one of the most important parts of this legislation. I never supported replacing the community health councils, but we are where we are. It is vital that this legislation results in a body that is a true champion of patients in health and social care. I do not believe that giving Ministers the ability to hire and fire sits right with the fact that the citizen voice body will need to challenge ministerial decisions as much as those by health and social care bodies, and therefore conclude that this is a conflict of interest. An independent patient's voice body needs to be free from any perceived or actual interference from Government. That includes hiring and firing, and I therefore reject amendments 5, 7, 8, 9 and 10. We will, however, be supporting the majority of the other amendments in this group. Diolch yn fawr.