I think this is quite an extraordinary point. You say that there's a conflict of interest for new arrangements and an entirely separate body, but you're prepared to fight for a current position where those people are employees of the national health service. That, to me, is not a position that holds any kind of logical argument to it at all. I recognise that we don't agree in terms of the Government and opposition parties. I would ask Members to support the Government in the new process that we've introduced and to reflect the fact that the current community health council movement themselves recognise that there is significantly more independence and freedom of discretion in the Bill, as we provided in the amendments before you that I ask you to support today.