I just have a real problem with your rejection of this amendment, Minister. What we're asking is we are asking volunteers, people who may have some experience of dealing with large organisations, to come and volunteer for the citizen voice body, and to speak on behalf of the citizens they represent. If you were to boil it down into a different way of saying it, they are speaking truth to power. They need to be protected. And I really ask, Minister, that you change your mind. Truth to power puts you in a very vulnerable position. We're asking them to speak truth to power. They're not as big, they're not as tough, they're not necessarily as experienced as who they're speaking to. Truth to power is something that we should protect at all cost. Please vote for this amendment.