Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 7:56 pm on 10 March 2020.
Thank you, Llywydd. Unfortunately, I don't support the amendment in the name of Angela Burns. I've been clear on the importance that I attach to establishing a citizen voice body that represents the interests of people across both health and social services. One of the fundamental aims of the Bill is to establish a new national body to represent the citizen voice, with a renewed profile and status, and that is a principle that we are entirely committed to. And in order to achieve it, we will of course need to provide resources that are at a sufficient level. The wording in the Bill that
'Ministers may make payments to the Citizen Voice Body', is the same formulation that has been used when other Welsh Government sponsored bodies have been established, and I gave examples in Stage 2. And as I drew on in the Stage 2 proceedings, we've set out in the regulatory impact assessment the additional investment to be made in the new body at the starting point. These show that the per capita money we're proposing to spend on the body is almost three times the amount that the UK Secretary of State spends on Healthwatch in England. In addition, it's worth noting, and I reported in Stage 2 committee, that we already spend more on our current CHC movement than equivalent bodies in England, Scotland and Northern Ireland. On a per capita basis, the new body will have an increase to go up to £1.32 per head for the population. That compares with equivalent bodies in England that spend 54p per head, 48p per head in Scotland and 84p per head in Northern Ireland. This is comparatively a well-funded body compared to its counterparts right across the United Kingdom.
Welsh Ministers are wholly committed to making payments to the citizen voice body to enable it to perform its functions. Consequently, there is more than sufficient evidence, I believe, to demonstrate that we will be providing the body with the funding it requires to exercise its functions. The body will be a Welsh Government sponsored body. Welsh Ministers provide that body with funds that are sufficient for it to do its job and deliver its functions. Determining what sufficient funds are will be based on a dialogue between the body and Welsh Ministers, as we do with every Government sponsored body. They will of course be in a position to make their case to Welsh Ministers if it is of the view it requires additional funding to undertake their functions properly. Now, I believe that we've set out a case that places this in exactly the same way that other Government sponsored bodies are, in the way that undertake their functions, and I ask Members, therefore, not to support the amendment in this group.