Thank you, Llywydd. I have listened again to the debate on these amendments, as, indeed, this has been a significant part of the passage of both the White Paper and, indeed, through Stages 1 and 2. Now, I do, though, recognise that we're broadly at the same starting point, which is how we ensure that the citizen voice body represents the interests of people throughout Wales and is accessible to people in all parts of Wales.

I indicated during Stage 2 scrutiny that I would meet with opposition health spokespeople to listen to their concerns and try to find a common way forward. The meeting was constructive and we did make progress in agreeing how the Bill might be improved. It's unfortunate that we weren't all able to come to agreement on a common position, but it is a positive step that there has been some recognition that the Government amendment represents a step forward. I am, though, pleased to indicate that the Government will support amendments 19 and 20. I agree that, if passed, those amendments will strengthen the Bill. I've always been clear throughout the scrutiny process that the new body, to deliver its interventions effectively, cannot be remote from the people whose voices it needs to represent. Requiring the body to have regard to the importance of face-to-face engagement when they're seeking views and providing complaints assistance, as required by amendments 19 and 20, I believe takes a further significant step forward in that regard.

Amendments 19 and 20 complement the Government amendment 59, which adds further strength in this area, and I am, of course, happy to support them. The Government amendment 59 requires the body to set out in its statement of policy how it proposes to ensure that it can represent the interests of people in all parts of Wales, is accessible to people throughout Wales, and also how it proposes to ensure that its staff and others who act on its behalf, such as volunteers, are able to engage effectively with people throughout Wales. That places clear duties on the citizen voice body relating to its engagement with people throughout Wales. This isn't just a Bill for north, south, east, west or mid Wales; it's a Bill for the whole country, a citizen voice body for the whole country. And it will have to publish a statement explaining its policy in this respect. So, I would ask that Members support Government amendment 59 and the two amendments that I've previously mentioned, 19 and 20.

However, I don't support amendments 40 and 75. I'll deal with amendment 75 first, because I don't believe that it achieves what the mover actually wants it to. When you look at the wording of it, it really isn't clear what a regional level is, and I think it's important to be clear about what's proposed. Similarly, it is not clear in amendment 75 what an 'effective permanent presence' means. It could mean an operational full-time presence, or it could mean something that exists in perpetuity. Now, I remain of the view that not only are there technical challenges there, but also, on amendment 40, requiring the citizen voice body to establish regional bodies along regional partnership board footprints at least has some certainty in our current arrangements.

However, I still believe, and I come back to this point about independence, that, for an independent body—and the new citizen voice body will be significantly more independent than the current arrangements for a hosted body within Powys health board—they, the citizen voice body, should not have their ability restricted in determining what their local structure should be. The body itself will be best placed to judge this, based on what I'm sure will be the changing local needs over coming years, and it will have the knowledge to know how to operate most effectively. Placing constraints is not, I believe, in the best interests of the body nor the public whom it will ultimately serve. I'll take the intervention and then I'll finish.