I did not say, at any point during my contributions, that they should not be independent of Powys. I do not think it is a primary reason for making these changes to the citizen voice body. My personal view is that a lot of the changes to the citizen voice body could be construed—in fact, I do construe it—as a bit of a muzzling exercise: let's get them on board. I want to make sure that that citizen voice body—. It's not my voice body, it's the voice body for my constituents, your constituents, and your constituents, and I want to make sure that they believe that it is their citizen voice body.

I don't think they care at the moment where it is hosted and by whom, but I do take your point that it should be an independent body, and I'm very happy for that to happen. What I'm not happy about is: nowhere in this Bill does it say, 'When you reconstitute yourself, and you regather all your directors, and you regather your staff and your chief executive and your chair, you will, you must, ensure that you have arms and legs, you have soldiers on the streets of Wales in each and every corner and part of Wales.' It doesn't say that.

And I'm very disappointed in your amendment 59. While I'm thrilled that you've accepted 19 and 20, which you and your officials worked on with me, I am disappointed in 59 because our amendment 40 was based on your commentary in the meeting that we had that regional health boards might be the solid rock on which to build it. So, I was prepared to come forward—yes, you did. I came forward and said, 'Okay, I will row away from there being one in Hywel Dda and one in here and one there, I'll build it on a slightly bigger footprint.' Regional boards were seen, partnership boards were seen as the key way of doing it. So, that's why I'm very disappointed in your amendment 59 and why I won't be supporting it.

Because I am desperately worried that, not only are we going to end up with a Bill that doesn't have the appropriate method of being able to say, 'If you fail on your duty of quality, these are what outcomes we expect; if you don't do it, this is what will happen—and for your duty of candour', and there's no real measurement or teeth in the whole thing, but we're now going to end up with a citizen voice body where—and I hear you say that it won't happen—in theory, the new team could say, 'We're going to have just one body and what we'll do is we'll just have representatives over there who'll all be volunteers and they won't be staff.'

Let me tell north Wales that, as somebody who lives in west Wales, I am perfectly happy for the citizen voice body to be based in north Wales, because what I want it to do is I want it to be based in a place where you feel on the edge of things, where you feel marginalised, where you kind of feel actually left out. So, I'm perfectly happy for it to be based there, because I know that, if it is based in a place like north Wales, the people running it will have a really clear understanding of why it is so important that all the corners of Wales, all the edges of Wales, are brought in and represented and given a voice. So, I don't have any problem with that suggestion, and I would like everyone to please support amendments 40, 19 and 20.