At the point we're at, the health board has not yet made a decision about what its plans are. [Interruption.] I'll go on to the south Wales programme now, when I speak. But no decision has yet been made. I think that is the very important point. It has to be made locally, but no decision has yet been made.

So, to turn to the points about engagement that are made in the motion, we don't recognise the issues raised in relation to previous health board restructuring exercises, and the principles on public engagement. There are clear protocols in place that set out our expectations on engagement with the public. If this is specific to the Bridgend boundary change, I can assure Members that there was significant engagement, and the Government will therefore oppose amendment 3. The health board is currently undertaking an ongoing engagement process with staff, local representatives and the public on their A&E proposals, and it would not be appropriate for Ministers to intervene by directing or attempting to direct any health board or trust to run an unsafe service as long as it's local.

We've been clear that the health board, in any change of this nature, has to be open and transparent. I know that a number of events have already taken place. The health Minister has also made it clear that evidence underpinning proposals for change and their impact should be made publicly available or an explanation of why not. The Government will therefore support amendment 4. There is a clear mechanism in place for escalating concerns about public consultation on significant changes to the Minister for Health and Social Services.

I'd also like to reiterate that the south Wales programme was not determined centrally by the Welsh Government. It came from engaging over 500 front-line clinicians who live, work in and serve communities across south Wales. This was NHS-led, and rightly so. In considering a way forward, I understand that the health board are reflecting upon the outcome of the programme, the changes made in the delivery of healthcare, and the healthcare needs of the current and future population in the area—so they are looking at the future population in the area, as Andrew R.T. Davies referred to.