Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:24 pm on 29 April 2020.
Sorry, forgive me, Suzy. With regard to Hwb, that is being rolled out to FE learners. I think that process is near complete, and so those resources are available for those learners.
With regard to the PCET Bill, as you've just outlined, Suzy, the contribution of both FE and HE and work-based learning to the future of the Welsh economy as we emerge from this—not just a public health emergency but an economic emergency—is going to be more important then ever and, therefore, reforms in that sector, I think, are more important than ever. You'll be aware that the Bill was submitted to the Presiding Office prior to the outbreak of the pandemic, and it was my intention for that to come to the committee at the start of this term. Those processes, of course, are ongoing. That Bill is ready to be scrutinised, and I will continue to discuss with the Commission about the opportunities that may be available as the Assembly finds new and innovative ways of carrying on its work in this crisis to be able to bring that Bill forward. I certainly am ready to do so. There may be practical considerations that, perhaps, we will have to contend with.
With regard to the HE sector, you will be aware of the work of Universities UK that has tried to quantify the effects of the crisis on the HE sector. Some of those are immediate in terms of loss of income in the here and now, whether that be from conferences, catering, accommodation, but, of course, as we look to the start of the new academic year, those impacts could be even greater. I think it is fair to say that we are looking at a significant drop in overseas students as well as potentially disruption to the UK market if some students decide to defer for a year and not choose to go to university at this point, although we have to say there's no evidence of that at this point. In fact, quite to the contrary: anecdotal evidence suggests that there are a lot of 18-year-olds who are desperate to get away in September at the start of the academic year, and perhaps are even more determined to fly the nest having experienced this period of lockdown than they were previously. But they are real questions that we're grappling with.
I'm very pleased that universities have abided by the moratorium on converting conditional offers to offers that do not have any conditions. I'm grateful for their co-operation in that regard. But that moratorium, as you know, will come to an end, and we're discussing, on a UK-wide basis, the introduction—certainly, on an England and Wales basis—of temporary student number controls. This is not something that usually happens in the Welsh or the English systems. They do have controls on numbers in Scotland because of the different ways in which they finance their system, but in England and Wales we don't have number controls. But as you'll have known from the Universities UK paper, this is a suggestion by the sector itself that we introduce student number controls for the new academic year, which would allow institutions to recruit their projected numbers plus 5 per cent, and I hope that we're able to make an announcement in Wales shortly on student number controls, which will add additional stability for the start of the new academic year.
Research funding is absolutely critical and is particularly at risk because this is often match funded by the fees brought to the sector by international students, and the future and the scale of research funding continues to be a subject that is discussed on a four-nation basis because the scales—. First of all, many elements of research and innovation funding for the sector is not a devolved matter and the scale of some of the interventions that we're looking at really needs to be done on a four-nation basis. I had further discussions with my Westminster counterpart in that regard today and we—myself, the Northern Irish Minister and the Scottish Minister—keep urging the Westminster Government to be able to find new moneys from the Treasury to be able to support the HE sector at this time. But just like the finance Minister in Wales is being asked by all parties for additional resources, I suspect the same is true of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and we are supporting Gavin Williamson and Michelle Donelan in their calls for the Treasury and their case to the Treasury to support the sector.