Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:23 pm on 29 April 2020.
Sure. On the PPE, we've been working very hard with our local authority colleagues to make sure that we're aware of where the stock is across Wales. And you'll know that we've had military logistics people working on that with us. They've been excellent in working out for us where the stock is and how to get it out to the people who need it, and to give some certainty in that, so, looking back through the records of what is being used so that we can predict demand more effectively, and then knowing where the stock is so that we can get it out to the right people at the same time, and so on. We're very keen that local authorities should have that certainty and, as far as we can provide it, we will, and we're very pleased to have had a recent delivery that you'll all be aware of, but obviously we're in the global supply chain as well. So, we are certainly in the business of making sure that local authorities know what we know and know where the supply is in the chain.
In terms of loss of income for care homes, where a local authority would normally commission services from a care home and that care home can't fill its places at the moment due to the outbreak and so on, then we're very happy for the £40 million that I mentioned in my statement to be used to help fund that care home to keep it viable. The rule of thumb for us has been that local authorities should seek to keep those businesses that they rely on for the service in place so that they're still there at the end of the outbreak. That won't cover every single care home in the independent sector. If you are completely privately funded and you weren't taking local authority referral people into your care home, then you won't be able to access this. Those care homes should be accessing the business support grant system and getting support through loss of income and through the normal business support. But from the point of view of the local authority, they should be using the money to make sure that the service provision remains in place and working with the homes to understand what that looks like. Obviously, we don't want to be shelling money out for no reason, so, it's about understanding what the cash flow looks like and how fast they can start commissioning places there. So, we're expecting that to be happening right across Wales.
In terms of local authorities taking out loans, they should not have had to do that so far. Who knows what will happen at the other end of the year. We are very reliant on the UK Government having to continue the funding to us to make this happen. But, as I said in my statement, we have given out tranches of the RSG much more quickly than we would otherwise have done, so no authority should be, at this point in time, having that kind of problem. And I have a meeting tomorrow with the finance sub-group of the partnership council to go through the work that all local authorities have been doing to numerate their loss of income, fees and charges, so that we can have a look at what we're doing there.
I am urging local authorities that are not yet hit by the peak of the virus not to panic. We are saying, 'Just carry on as normal, do what you need to do and we will be supporting you'. It isn't a first-come, first-served situation. So, nobody should feel obliged to try and put claims in now that they don't really need in order to secure the funding. We're very keen that this is done on an 'as you need it' basis and that we will get the right support out to those authorities that are having that expenditure.
And on the recovery, I just started the conversation with the leaders last week about the first few things that we think that they might want to start reopening. And I will be continuing that conversation with the WLGA and the partnership council so that we have local authority input into what services local authorities provide, for example, household waste recycling centres and libraries are the ones that everybody mentions—what we would need to put in place by way of guidance or social distancing guidance or staffing in order to allow those kinds of things to happen. So, that conversation has started.