Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:48 pm on 6 May 2020.
Well, my own view is that the issue around COVID and the response to COVID is immeasurably more important in the lives of most people than the point that he has, with respect, just raised. I don't dismiss the point at all, because he raises an important point about the impact of Brexit into the future. My own view is that the question should be posed slightly differently, which is: given the immense challenges and the immense damage that COVID and corona is going to inflict on all parts of the UK, why would one voluntarily choose to overlay on top of that the economic damage caused by Brexit? That seems to me to be—. My own view is that would be irresponsible.
But on a more pragmatic basis, I think there are two fundamental questions that even someone who takes his view, as distinct to mine, ought to be persuaded by, if I may put it like that. And the first is: all Governments in the UK rightly are focused on the task of dealing with and tackling the consequences of living with COVID; that is obviously the overriding priority of all Governments in the UK, as it should be. What that means necessarily, and incidentally, in Europe—. What that means is that the bandwidth and the capacity to pursue the negotiations over a very complex set of future relationships simply isn’t available to anybody in the way that it would need to be for those negotiations to lead to the best available outcome, whatever perspective you have of Brexit. So, it seems to us as a Government that the sensible thing in the interest of good governance is for there to be a pause in those negotiations and an extension until Governments have more capacity to be able to engage with those negotiations.
And the last point I'll make—and it’s really not on my own behalf, but on behalf of all those businesses that have furloughed their staff, or organisations across the UK who have furloughed their staff—I'm not sure how any Government says to people in that situation that it's time to start preparing for whatever Brexit brings. I, obviously, take a very different view from him of what Brexit brings, but plainly it requires significant preparation, whatever it is, and I'm not sure how we say to people in that situation that it's time for them to start preparing, because many of them will just hear that and not understand how they can get to grips with that at this point. So, that points to a very pragmatic, common-sense approach, which is to pause and delay and solve and address the challenge that lies most immediately ahead of us before we come back and conclude those negotiations.