Can I first put on record my deepest sympathy for all those who've lost their lives as a result of COVID-19? I can't imagine what many of the families and friends of those individuals are going through right now, but we owe it to them and I think we owe it to the key workers who are caring for them and those others that are keeping our economy working, our country functioning at the moment, to make sure that we get the lifting of these restrictions, these considerable restrictions on their lives, lifted in a way that is safe and will not needlessly risk people's lives. And I think it's important also that we get the balance right between, yes, saving individual lives, but also saving livelihoods too. And I've been impressed, frankly, by the levels of support that have emerged from both the UK and the Welsh Governments to support people's livelihoods as well as their lives during this pandemic so far.

I have been concerned about the recent drifting apart from a four-nation approach in respect of the lockdown. We know that all four nations have access to the same scientific evidence, so, understandably, members of the public are contacting their Members of the Welsh Parliament, asking why there is a different approach in Wales, and sometimes it's very difficult to explain why there has been a different approach, given that it is the same scientific evidence. It effectively leaves it down to some of the political decisions that are made by Ministers in accordance with their own judgment. And of course, we're all entitled to use our own judgment on these things after considering the evidence, but I think the further we drift apart from a UK-wide approach across the four nations, the more difficult it will be—as Nick Ramsay quite rightly said—to communicate those differences with the public and expect people to abide by them.

People are envious sometimes of the freedoms that people enjoy elsewhere in the UK at the moment, to be able to travel to meet family members in a way that they're not yet able to in Wales. I think we've got to think carefully about how we can safely lift some of these restrictions in a way that is compatible with the scientific evidence, that still protects people's lives, but also helps families to get back together, helps loved ones to see one another, helps to get society beginning to open itself back up again, and of course, where possible, gets the economy functioning again. Because of course, the longer that we have greater levels of restriction, particularly on our economy here in Wales, then the less competitive we will be with other parts of the country that perhaps are loosening some of those restrictions.

We've already heard about the potential impact on the property market at the moment, but just consider the tourism industry too, which Helen Mary Jones was referring to. When you look at our tourism industry, it is incredibly important in many parts of the country—including in my own constituency—but if we don't lift restrictions on the tourist industry at the same time as the lifting of restrictions in England, Scotland or Northern Ireland, there is a potential that those people who would have chosen to come to Wales on their holidays will decide to go elsewhere, and the lack of level playing field could cause us here to have less of a competitive edge and give an advantage to industries in other nations within the UK. I don't want to see that, for the sake of holiday caravan parks, hotels and the important tourist attractions here in north Wales and around my constituency. I want to make sure that there's a lifting at the same time, where possible, in order for them to continue to be able to operate successfully.

I think that Paul Davies's point about timescales is incredibly important. I listened carefully to what Huw Irranca-Davies had to say, but it's not true to say that people are playing loose and fast, if you like, with people's lives. As I say, people are considering the same scientific evidence and if you can set a tentative date—and that's all that the UK Government has done is put tentative dates in the diary to say, 'We hope to be able to do these things by these dates if the science says it's safe to do so, if the rate of infection, the R rate, and the rate of transmission have come down to a certain level.' We have none of those indicators in the document that the Welsh Government's given to us. There's absolutely nothing in terms of the conditions that must be met in order to move from red to amber and green by industry, or by sector rather, and I think that that is something that people are crying out for, if they are to see how we can inch our way out of this particular pandemic. So, I would urge you, First Minister, to really consider whether it is possible to put some of those conditions into the document in a way that is easy for people to see whether the tests can be met in order to move things up in terms of lifting that lockdown. Diolch yn fawr iawn.