7. & 8. The Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (Wales) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 2020 and The Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (Wales) (Amendment) (No. 3) Regulations 2020

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:55 pm on 20 May 2020.

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Photo of Vaughan Gething Vaughan Gething Labour 5:55, 20 May 2020

Thank you, Llywydd. It's important to recognise that these regulations are just part of a comprehensive response to effectively managing the coronavirus outbreak that continues here Wales, and that we're doing everything that we can to tackle the pandemic and to protect public health. It is thanks to the efforts made by people across Wales that we have helped to slow the spread of the disease, to protect our NHS and to save lives.

We know that the continued lockdown is impacting upon people's health and well-being as well as our economy. We are now, though, entering a critical stage. We will continue to be guided by scientific evidence, direction and the advice we receive from the chief medical officer in how we move forwards in defining how the restrictions currently in place, in different areas of Welsh life, can begin to be eased.

There is now a regular publication of the summary of that scientific advice that is going to take place each Tuesday, so the charge made by Mr Reckless in particular, that there's no evidence of what the advice is—we're providing a regular update on what that looks like. It underscores the choices Ministers make. It's also important to underscore the purpose and the requirement for the regulations and to help inform the continuing public debate.

We of course take seriously the points made by a number of speakers about the clarity, and the point and the purpose of the regulations, what that means is within the regulations and not, and we aim to provide that within our guidance. We will of course take that forward as part of the next review. We'll need to look again at the point and purpose of the regulations. I disagree; I don't particularly agree with Mr Reckless's quasi-legal attempt to define what's happening with the powers. We still have to have regulations that are necessary and proportionate. We still have to have the check of the advice from the chief medical officer that these are regulations that should be in place to tackle the public emergency, the once-in-a-century event, that we're all living through.

We know that we cannot tackle the virus without a collective approach, so we want to encourage that continued conversation with all of our partners, the most important of whom remain the people of Wales. The conversation about how, with the limited headroom that we have, we make choices that we need to make to ease the current regulatory restrictions, and we don't put at risk the lives and well-being of people across Wales. These are difficult choices to make and they will remain difficult choices. The balance of what we choose to do in the regulations will need to reflect the reality—that those choices in themselves are difficult—and we then need to consider their cumulative impact, and then to be able to explain those in a way that is genuinely persuasive to the people of Wales. But I recognise, in the previous debate, there still is widespread support for the cautious approach that we're taking, and that remains the Government's approach.

The amendments to the regulations that we've debated today were made in response to stakeholder views, to help promote further economic activity and to support families across Wales. For today, the regulations, in our view, must stay in place as they are proportionate to the threat that we face, and they will only be in place for as long as required.

I do therefore ask that the Senedd support these regulations and agree that they're necessary measures to respond to the pandemic and to protect public health here in Wales.