12. Voting Time

– in the Senedd at 6:34 pm on 24 June 2020.

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Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:34, 24 June 2020

We'll move now on to the vote today.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

As indicated on your agenda, today's vote will be conducted in accordance with Standing Order 34.11. Each political group may nominate one member of the group to carry the same number of votes as there are members of the group. In the case of a political group with an Executive role, the nominee will carry the same number of votes as there are members of that group, plus any other Members of the Government. Members who do not belong to a group or grouping will vote for themselves. I will, therefore, conduct the vote by roll call.

The first vote is on the first supplementary budget, and the motion is tabled in the name of Rebecca Evans. Therefore, on behalf of the Labour group and Government, Huw Irranca-Davies, how do you cast your 30 votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

On behalf of the Welsh Conservatives, Darren Millar, how do you cast your 10 votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

On behalf of Plaid Cymru, Siân Gwenllian, how do you cast your nine votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

On behalf of the Brexit Party, Mark Reckless, how do you cast your four votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

The result of the vote therefore is that there were 30 in favour, 24 abstentions and one against, and therefore the motion is agreed.

(Translated)

Vote on NDM7335 held in accordance with Standing Order 34.11.

(Translated)

Huw Irranca-Davies on behalf of the Labour Group and the Government: For (30)

Darren Millar on behalf of the Conservative Group: Abstain (10)

Siân Gwenllian on behalf of the Plaid Cymru Group: Abstain (9)

Mark Reckless on behalf of the Brexit Party Group: Abstain (4)

Gareth Bennett – Independent: Against

Neil Hamilton – United Kingdom Independence Party: Abstain

(Translated)

Motion agreed.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:36, 24 June 2020

(Translated)

The next vote is on the motion to amend Standing Order 34. The motion is tabled in my name. On behalf of the Labour group and Government, Huw Irranca-Davies, how do you cast your 30 votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

Darren Millar, on behalf of the Conservatives, how do you cast your 10 votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

On behalf of Plaid Cymru, Siân Gwenllian, how do you cast your nine votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

Brexit Party, Mark Reckless, how do you cast your four votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

The result of the vote therefore is that there are 54 in favour, one abstention, none against, and therefore the motion is agreed.

(Translated)

Vote on NDM7338 held in accordance with Standing Order 34.11.

(Translated)

Huw Irranca-Davies on behalf of the Labour Group and the Government: For (30)

Darren Millar on behalf of the Conservative Group: For (10)

Siân Gwenllian on behalf of the Plaid Cymru Group: For (9)

Mark Reckless on behalf of the Brexit Party Group: For (4)

Gareth Bennett – Independent: Abstain

Neil Hamilton – United Kingdom Independence Party: For

(Translated)

Motion agreed.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:37, 24 June 2020

(Translated)

The next vote is on the Brexit Party debate on lifting lockdown. The motion is tabled in the name of Caroline Jones. On behalf of the Labour group and the Government, Huw Irranca-Davies, how do you cast your 30 votes?

Photo of Huw Irranca-Davies Huw Irranca-Davies Labour

Against the original motion. Sorry, is this on the amendment? 

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

No, this looks to be on the motion in the name of Caroline Jones. 

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

Okay. Now, it seems to be incorrect on my part. I'm looking for—. Give me two seconds to take a time out. Ah, yes, it is on the original motion. I remember now what happened, yes. [Laughter.] It's on the original motion, and it's in the name of Caroline Jones. The 30 votes by Huw Irranca-Davies were cast against the motion, for confirmation. Yes. So, I move on to Darren Millar, and the 10 votes on behalf of the Conservatives.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

And Plaid Cymru, your nine votes—Siân Gwenllian.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

Brexit Party, Mark Reckless—your four votes.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

The result of the vote therefore is as follows: 16 in favour, no abstentions, 39 against, and therefore the motion is not agreed.

(Translated)

Vote on NDM7334 held in accordance with Standing Order 34.11.

(Translated)

Huw Irranca-Davies on behalf of the Labour Group and the Government: Against (30)

Darren Millar on behalf of the Conservative Group: For (10)

Siân Gwenllian on behalf of the Plaid Cymru Group: Against (9)

Mark Reckless on behalf of the Brexit Party Group: For (4)

Gareth Bennett – Independent: For

Neil Hamilton – United Kingdom Independence Party: For

(Translated)

Motion not agreed.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:39, 24 June 2020

(Translated)

The next vote is on the Welsh Conservatives debate, and on amendment 1. If amendment 1 is agreed, then amendment 2 will be deselected. So, the first vote this time is on amendment 1 in the name of Rebecca Evans. On behalf of the Labour group and the Government, therefore, Huw-Irranca-Davies, how do you cast your 30 votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

On behalf of the Welsh Conservatives, Darren Millar, how do you cast your 10 votes?

Photo of Darren Millar Darren Millar Conservative

Sorry, Llywydd, can I just check, are we not supposed to vote on the motion first, as an unamended motion first?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

No, we vote on the amendments first, and then we'll vote on the motion if it's amended or unamended at the end.

Photo of Darren Millar Darren Millar Conservative

That—. Llywydd, that's not what we just did with the previous debate, and it's not what we usually do with opposition debates.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

There was no amendment on the previous debate.

Photo of Darren Millar Darren Millar Conservative 6:40, 24 June 2020

There was, with respect, Llywydd. [Interruption.]

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

It wasn't moved. The amendment wasn't moved. It was—

Photo of Mark Reckless Mark Reckless Conservative

Although Gareth tried to move it.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

It was in Neil McEvoy's name.

Photo of Darren Millar Darren Millar Conservative

I do apologise. It is a departure from our usual practice in Plenary on a Wednesday, but I vote against amendment 1 on behalf of the Conservative group.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

Okay. I'll review this. This isn't easy with three separate machines and only two hands—[Laughter.]

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

—and sitting on a sofa in Aberaeron. [Laughter.]

Photo of David Melding David Melding Conservative

Can I make a point of order?

Photo of David Melding David Melding Conservative

I'm sorry, because there are many moving parts here. [Laughter.] But it has been our tradition to vote on opposition motions without amendment first. If that motion is then not agreed, then we vote on the amendments to the motion.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

Okay. I can hear Ann Jones also agreeing. Your microphone isn't muted, Ann. [Laughter.] But, since I'm having the advice of both David Melding and Ann Jones and Darren Millar, then I feel that the script that I have in front of me may be incorrect. I'm looking for some WhatsApp advice as well, and I've just received that. So, everybody is in agreement that I should take a vote first on the motion unamended. So, I call that vote, and the motion unamended is in the name of—you, Darren Millar?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

So, the Labour group and the Government, Huw Irranca-Davies, how do you propose your 30 votes?

Photo of Huw Irranca-Davies Huw Irranca-Davies Labour

This feels like the Eurovision, Llywydd, but my 30 votes go against the original motion.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

I've no idea how this vote is now going to be counted. I hope that somebody is doing it somewhere and is going to WhatsApp it to me at some point. I apologise for all of this. Darren Millar, on behalf of the Conservative group, how do you cast your 10 votes?

Photo of Darren Millar Darren Millar Conservative 6:42, 24 June 2020

I vote in favour of the motion tabled in my name. [Laughter.]

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

Plaid Cymru, your nine votes, Siân Gwenllian.

Photo of Siân Gwenllian Siân Gwenllian Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

We will vote against the motion.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

And the Brexit Party, Mark Reckless.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

How do you cast your four votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

The result, then, is that 15 cast their votes for, one abstained and 39 were against. Therefore, the motion without amendment is not successful.

(Translated)

Vote on NDM7339 held in accordance with Standing Order 34.11.

(Translated)

Huw Irranca-Davieson behalf of the Labour Group and the Government: Against (30)

Darren Millar on behalf of the Conservative Group: For (10)

Siân Gwenllian on behalf of the Plaid Cymru Group: Against (9)

Mark Reckless on behalf of the Brexit Party Group: For (4)

Gareth Bennett – Independent: Abstain

Neil Hamilton – United Kingdom Independence Party: For 

(Translated)

Motion not agreed.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:42, 24 June 2020

So, we move to the first amendment in the name of Siân Gwenllian.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

No. [Laughter.] I could feel that that was incorrect. [Laughter.] I'm reading what I have in front of me; that's in my defence at this point. The first amendment is in the name of Rebecca Evans. If the first amendment is successful, then amendment 2 in the name of Siân Gwenllian will fall. On behalf of the Labour group and the Government, Huw Irranca-Davies, how do you cast your 30 votes for amendment 1 in the name of Rebecca Evans? 

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

On behalf of the Conservatives, Darren Millar, how do you cast your 10 votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

Plaid Cymru, Siân Gwenllian, your nine votes.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

The Brexit Party, Mark Reckless, your four votes.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

The result is that 30 Members were in favour, nobody abstained, there were 25 against. Therefore, the amendment carries. I think I'm correct in saying that amendment 2 in the name of Siân Gwenllian falls.

(Translated)

Vote on amendment 1 to NDM7339 held in accordance with Standing Order 34.11.

(Translated)

Huw Irranca-Davies on behalf of the Labour Group and the Government: For (30)

Darren Millar on behalf of the Conservative Group: Against (10)

Siân Gwenllian on behalf of the Plaid Cymru Group: Against (9)

Mark Reckless on behalf of the Brexit Party Group: Against (4)

Gareth Bennett – Independent: Against

Neil Hamilton – United Kingdom Independence Party: Against 

(Translated)

Amendment agreed.

(Translated)

Amendment 2 deselected.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:44, 24 June 2020

Amendment 3 in the name of Siân Gwenllian is the next vote, and I call for a vote on amendment 3 in the name of Siân Gwenllian. The Labour group and the Government, Huw Irranca-Davies, how do you cast the 30 votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

The Welsh Conservatives, Darren Millar, your 10 votes.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

Siân Gwenllian, your nine votes.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

Mark Reckless, your four votes.

Photo of Mr Neil Hamilton Mr Neil Hamilton UKIP

(Translated)

Against.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

The result of the vote, then, is that 39 were in favour, nobody abstained, 16 were against, and that amendment is carried.

(Translated)

Vote on amendment 3 to NDM7339 held in accordance with Standing Order 34.11.

(Translated)

Huw Irranca Davies on behalf of the Labour Group and the Government: For (30)

Darren Millar on behalf of the Conservative Group: Against (10)

Siân Gwenllian on behalf of the Plaid Cymru Group: For (9)

Mark Reckless on behalf of the Brexit Party Group: Against (4)

Gareth Bennett – Independent: Against

Neil Hamilton – United Kingdom Independence Party: Against

(Translated)

Amendment agreed.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:45, 24 June 2020

I call then finally, and thank you for your patience, for a vote on the motion as amended.

(Translated)

Motion NDM7339 as amended:

To propose that the Senedd:

1. Recognises that the coronavirus pandemic is both a public health and an economic emergency. 

2. Welcomes the economic benefits afforded to Wales as a result of being part of the United Kingdom during the pandemic, including funding for:

a) the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme which is protecting 316,500 livelihoods in Wales; and

b) the Self-Employed Income Support Scheme which is helping 102,000 people in Wales. 

3. Welcomes the Welsh Government’s £500m Economic Resilience Fund, part of a £1.7bn package of support for business in Wales in response to the pandemic, which is the most generous anywhere in the UK.

4. Notes that EU funding has helped the Welsh Government respond to the Covid-19 pandemic and further notes that without successor funding the Welsh Government will be unable to respond at this scale in any future crisis.

5. Notes the Centre for Towns report ‘Covid and our Towns’ and welcomes the cross-government measures the Welsh Government is taking through its Town Centre Action Group and ‘Transforming Towns’ agenda across Wales.

6. Recognises the important role that creative and dynamic town councils and Business Improvement Districts will play in helping town centres recover from the economic impact of Coronavirus.

7. Welcomes the experimental work being done through the Foundational Economy Challenge Fund to explore new ways of building resilience into towns and communities across Wales which can support our response to the covid pandemic.

8. Welcomes calls made by organisations including WLGA, FSB Cymru, Wales TUC, Institute for Fiscal Studies and Wales Governance Centre for the UK Government to urgently remove the fiscal restrictions that significantly limit the Welsh Government’s spending power to allow it to respond effectively to the pandemic.

9. Further calls on the UK Government to develop a significant economic stimulus package that can support the Welsh Government’s work towards a green and just recovery for towns and communities the length and breadth of Wales in light of the pandemic.

10. Believes that now is the time for the UK Government to devolve further fiscal powers to the Welsh Government so that it is able to better care for the people of Wales in light of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:45, 24 June 2020

Huw Irranca-Davies, how do you cast the votes on behalf of Labour and the Government, 30 votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

Ceidwadwyr Cymreig, Darren Millar, how do you cast your 10 votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

Siân Gwenllian, your nine votes on behalf of Plaid Cymru.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

Brexit Group, Mark Reckless, how do you cast your four votes?

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:46, 24 June 2020

The result of that vote, then, is that 30 were in favour of the motion as amended, nobody abstained, and 25 against. Therefore, the motion as amended is carried. 

(Translated)

Vote on NDM7339 as amended held in accordance with Standing Order 34.11.

(Translated)

Huw Irranca Davies on behalf of the Labour Group and the Government: For (30)

Darren Millar on behalf of the Conservative Group: Against (10)

Siân Gwenllian on behalf of the Plaid Cymru Group: Against (9)

Mark Reckless on behalf of the Brexit Party Group: Against (4)

Gareth Bennett – Independent: Against

Neil Hamilton – United Kingdom Independence Party: Against

(Translated)

Motion as amended agreed.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru 6:46, 24 June 2020

As I said, thank you for your patience. I look forward to the day when we introduce individual electronic voting. It's difficult enough with weighted voting. When we move to individual electronic voting, we'll go to the next level.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

(Translated)

But, for today, good afternoon.

Photo of Elin Jones Elin Jones Plaid Cymru

Good afternoon to you all. Diolch yn fawr. 

(Translated)

The meeting ended at 18:46.