10. Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee Debate on the effects of COVID-19 on Wales's Economy, Infrastructure and Skills

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:55 pm on 1 July 2020.

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Photo of Joyce Watson Joyce Watson Labour 4:55, 1 July 2020

The first thing that I want to say as a member of the committee was we heard overwhelming support from the Federation of Small Businesses, the Trades Union Congress and the Confederation of British Industry as to their satisfaction with the level of engagement with the Welsh Government and Welsh officials—I think it's worth saying that at the outset—and all the work that went behind that, in making sure that all the numerous schemes that were put into place immediately, in a very, very short time frame, were put forward through mechanisms that people could both apply to and receive the funds from that.

I'm not going to rehearse all the gaps that we've heard about; other people have already done that. But I listened closely yesterday to this 'build, build, build' announcement from the UK Government and immediately the one thing that struck me, apart from the very obvious that there are no consequentials so therefore there's no new money, so there's no care for Wales, was this old-fashioned idea again that you can bring out of a crisis jobs that actually only look at, really, one sector of the economy, and therefore you miss large numbers of people who need help out of those schemes immediately. And it's fairly obvious, if you look at the stats on construction, that means women will be left behind, because they don't feature in that economy anyway. The highest figure you will find is 11 per cent and, on site, it's simply 1 per cent. So, that isn't actually going to build much in the way of employment for those people outside of that.

Having said all of that, we have seen, in the very recent past, the agility of companies in Wales to step up and immediately put in processes and systems to deliver those things that we've needed, from ventilators to masks, or handwashes. So, they've been innovative and they've been fleet of foot in that innovation, and I think it's alluded to here in these recommendations. It's that, I think, that we could do to drive the economy forward as we come out.

The other sector, of course, that's been fleet of foot—and it's not capital investment that's needed—is the care sector, and Helen Mary quite rightly pointed to that. Evidence is already emerging about the impact of coronavirus on some individuals, and the ongoing care needs that those individuals will have. And that, really, is just in the first wave. I'm not wishing for a second wave; nobody is. But if we see a repeat of that, unfortunately we're also going to see greater needs within the care sector. So, we need some revenue investment as well as capital investment to take us out and take us forward. And it has been noted—quite rightly noted—that those are the people that we ultimately need to take society forward in times of extreme need. It is the case that they've been undervalued in the past, both within society's ways of thinking about people in the care sector but also in the remuneration that they've received for doing those jobs. So, I suppose my plea to you today, going forward, is to look for those individuals in terms of their training, their status, and let's not—. When we're talking about building back better, let's at least understand that those people who need us to build back better for them in their employment actually receive that recognition in all aspects. 

And, of course, the other area that would have been addressed now, but it isn't, because we're in this particular time and space, is the bus services in Wales. There would have been a Bill finding its way through the Welsh Parliament at the moment, and there would have been many more people journeying through particularly my area in Wales on buses. That, sadly, is not the case at the moment, and, whilst I am really concerned that we don't leave people behind, I'm equally concerned that we don't literally leave them behind, stuck in rural Wales with no form of transport, because so many people— particularly people who don't have funds and young people, disabled people, elderly residents and free bus pass holders—rely on that mode of transport.