7. Statement by the Minister for Environment, Energy and Rural Affairs: Sustainable Farming: the future of agriculture support

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:21 pm on 8 July 2020.

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Photo of Lesley Griffiths Lesley Griffiths Labour 4:21, 8 July 2020

Thank you, Andrew R.T. Davies, for that long list of questions—I will try to answer them all. I think you're right, we've had two lengthy consultation processes, and we have had to pause the work. I'm not as far ahead as I would have wanted to be, but you will appreciate, with the COVID-19 pandemic—that was the focus and continues to be the focus. But I did think it was important to bring this statement to the Senedd to inform Members where we are in the process. I wanted to assure people that I will be bringing a White Paper forward before the end of this Senedd term. I had hoped we would have had a draft agricultural Bill, but I think the length of time that the EU transition period has been, and, obviously, with the delays that we've had this year, that's clearly not going to be the case. But I thought it was very encouraging to see the broad level of support for the sustainable land management framework. So, there is now going to be continual analysis of that, with modelling et cetera going over the next few months. I'm very conscious, when I was saying in my statement, 'I will be doing this, I will be doing that', that, of course, there is an election next May. But I think it is important to maintain that momentum. It's very important for the agricultural sector. So, consequently, I was wanting to update Members.

Around the funding—as I say, we haven’t had confirmation about the level of funding, but you are right, the First Minister has said that funding will be hypothecated for agriculture for this period.

Food security is a really interesting point, because you're quite right—you and I and others have argued around public goods and whether food is indeed a public good, but it's got a market, so it can't be. However, food security is obviously very important. And, as you say, we saw that panic buying in the initial stages of the pandemic in a way that perhaps we thought might happen if there was a 'no deal' Brexit. And, clearly, people did feel fearful, I think, that there wouldn't be enough food. And you're absolutely right, our farmers stepped up to the plate, along with many people in the food supply chain, to make sure, as a nation, we didn't go hungry, and we are very grateful to them for that.

So, what we want to do is continue to have a focus on the sector producing sustainable, high-quality food that meets consumers' needs. You're right, there's been a real push, I think, from members of the public to buy locally produced food. We've seen a huge increase in the number of local butchers that have been used, and I've had some very interesting conversations with our Welsh food and drink producers over the last three or four months. Some of them have really embraced online sales, for instance, and we were able to support them in relation to packaging et cetera, and we want to lock in that behaviour, so that people will continue to buy locally. So, we know that whilst, obviously, farms in Wales can only produce a part of the varied diet that we need to sustain health—and trade is very important—I think we want to do all we can to ensure that food security is enabled by produce from Wales being supplemented by imported food, but that food has also got to be to standards that we see here in Wales.

You're right about the Agriculture Bill that's currently going through the UK Government, and we are looking to take powers from that. It was really important, if we're going to pay our farmers next year, that we took those powers, and that's why we sought to do that.

You mentioned 2024, and I think, realistically, we're not going to be able to transition to a new scheme much before 2024, if indeed before that. You talked about confidence in the new scheme. So, conversations I've had with many farmers—and probably yourself included, and certainly, I was talking to Future Farmers of Wales; I had a meeting with them a couple of weeks ago—they don't think that the basic payment scheme has made them resilient enough. They want to have this scheme because they do think it will help build that resilience. So, I am confident that the outcomes that we seek within this scheme will make sure that we have that resilient agricultural sector that we want.

Around the simplification, I absolutely get that. We haven't worked out the details of that. Again, that is one thing that has been paused over the past few months, but, as I say, we will launch a consultation—it says in my notes 'in the summer', but, clearly, we're in the summer now, so I'm not quite sure. But I'm certainly not in a position to be able to do that in the political summer yet. 

You mentioned around Rural Payments Wales, and I'm grateful to Audit Wales for that report, and obviously officials will be responding to that in due course and will be providing evidence to the Public Accounts Committee, and that's absolutely the place where it should be properly considered. I do just want to say, though—and I think the report does make very clear—the issue is value for money. It was not properly tested in the appraisal of projects, and I know officials have reviewed the projects concerned to ensure they do in practice deliver value for money and where appropriate take action to ensure we do achieve value for money, including retendering some projects. So, work had already been undertaken in some of the areas, so I do have confidence in RPW and they've worked very hard on this process and getting this scheme out to consultation. As I say, we're not as far ahead as I would have preferred to have been, but, clearly—. I think the next stage is probably more exciting, but I think it's really important that we pause at the moment, reflect on the responses, and I hope Members will have read the document.