Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 4:42 pm on 8 July 2020.
I appreciate it must be very frustrating not to know how much money Wales is going to get from whatever is going to replace the common agricultural policy, but I do feel that, whether it's going to be £5 million or £105 billion or million, we need to have set the parameters in which we're going to operate. I feel that we're just going to be done to, depending on what the UK Government comes up with—with their 'no deal' Brexit, possibly, with their trade deal with the United States and the chlorination of our food programme.
So, I just feel that we are in danger of just being passive recipients of whatever the UK Government dishes up for us, rather than actively deciding what we think is important about the way we use our land and the way in which we reward for outcomes rather than simply entitlement, simply because somebody is a landowner. So, it seems to me that we need to be moving at a much faster pace than you are setting out in your statement. It depresses me to think that we're not even going to get an analysis of the move from an entitlement-based to a voluntary scheme until the summer after next year's elections.
As you say, it's been, globally, a very challenging time, but we've got so many things that are happening all around us, and, unless we actively decide what we want to do, in line with the environment Act and the future generations Act, we're simply just going to be swept away.
So, I wanted to ask you about two specific developments that have already happened recently. One is that—I don't know whether Andrew R.T. Davies and Llyr Gruffydd are aware of this, but the UK has issued guidance about the marketing of agriculture and vegetable seed varieties that will require applicants for adding any variety that is not already on the list to have to pay £300 per variety to get onto the permitted list in order to sell them. This is god's gift to Monsanto and the McDonald's-isation of food, rather than sharing the most appropriate varieties for growing in Welsh soil. So, I'd be keen to know whether you've had the opportunity to analyse just what impact that's going to have.
And the second point is that Dr Tom Jefferson from Oxford University's Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine in the last couple of days has identified the presence of coronavirus around the world in the sewerage systems in Spain, Italy and Brazil long before the outbreak in Wuhan, and he says that it struck because it found favourable conditions in food-intensive environments like food factories and meat packing plants, to which I suggest we should add intensive chicken and pig farms and mega dairies.