May I first of all turn to what Plaid Cymru have said in their motion today? There is a constitutional convention already, which states that if a party stands on a manifesto commitment in favour of a referendum on independence, then there should be such a referendum. We've seen that in Scotland. So, in a way, we don't need to have this debate today, whatever your view on independence, and I speak as someone who isn't in favour of independence, but isn’t either in favour of the UK as it currently exists, and I’ll go on to explain that.