Well, I think that question reveals the very sharp differences and divides in views from people on an individual and a local level and the conversations we have on a national level with stakeholder bodies. There is a regular conversation with people running residential care—both local authorities who still provide and commission large parts of the residential care sector, as well as the independent providers as well. And that includes regular conversations with Care Forum Wales. So, I simply don't accept that it's an accurate reflection that there is no conversation with the residential care sector. There are regular conversations between officials in the Government and local authorities and the care sector itself. And it's also a part of the challenge about the language that we use. I think the cheapskate awards were not Care Forum Wales's finest hour and not a helpful way to make use of the relationships we've deliberately built in Wales, where partners get to talk to each other and continue to have conversations that are challenging—they're not warm and cosy conversations between commissioners and providers, or indeed the Government and Care Forum Wales—and what we need to do is to have a relationship that has a robust and honest conversation. And that's what I think we do have. I don't accept it's been too late for too many in the way we've acted. We'll see the evidence, and I will have to take account of the evidence, once it's there, about the impact on that sector, about the choices we've made and what that's meant in terms of helping to save lives.

I would, though, remind Mr Isherwood that, when it comes to Betsi Cadwaladr, the idea that they've not contributed a penny towards the COVID crisis is simply not factually supportable, not just in terms of the work that they've done with care homes and the testing that's been provided, the way they've used NHS resources to support people, but the way in which Betsi Cadwaladr—as indeed every other part of our national health service here in Wales—has made a significant contribution to keeping people well, safe and alive, and the way that we will call on our health service to do that again through this next winter.

And, as we've heard, this is a sector that has been supported deliberately, our national health service, not just in people clapping outside their doors, but in the real appreciation of the extraordinary efforts that have been made in an extraordinary period of time. From the residential care sector's point of view, it's a matter of fact that there are tens of millions of items of personal protective equipment that have been provided at a cost of now more than £25 million for free to that sector; there's staffing support that's been provided by a variety of health boards to support that sector as well, as they've had staff in difficulties. And we'll carry on in that very practical way to help the sector, to look after some of our most vulnerable citizens, to keep as many people as well as possible, and to help keep people all across Wales, wherever they live—to keep all of us safe.