3., 4. & 5. The Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (No. 2) (Wales) Regulations 2020, The Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (No. 2) (Wales) (Amendment) Regulations 2020 and The Health Protection (Coronavirus Restrictions) (No. 2) (Wales) (Amendment) (No. 2) Regulations 2020

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 2:47 pm on 5 August 2020.

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Photo of Rhun ap Iorwerth Rhun ap Iorwerth Plaid Cymru 2:47, 5 August 2020

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Thank you very much, Llywydd. Thank you to the Legislation, Justice and Constitution Committee for scrutinising these regulations. My fellow Members and I will be voting in favour of these regulations. We support a move towards relaxing restrictions—that’s what everyone wants—as long as the evidence demonstrates to us that that can be done safely. We are, however, emphasising the need to communicate as clearly as possible and as much in advance as possible where there is the possibility of further relaxation and where that can have an impact on families and individuals, and on businesses, because there are businesses that still want to prepare for an enhancement in their activities. That, of course, is with the caveat that things could change, because that will be inevitable, given this pandemic.

Also, where it is impossible to allow businesses to operate in a way that would allow them to start to regain some of their losses, we also appeal to the Government to enhance the packages of support available to those businesses. There are still businesses slipping through the net in terms of the support available, given the impact that the pandemic and the restrictions in place are having on them.

We also support the principle in these regulations of keeping the 2m distance regulation in Wales. One thing that I would request, however, is I wonder whether any consideration has been given to putting a system in place to assess whether that directive could be reduced to 1m safely in certain circumstances by putting in place mitigation steps, such as the wearing of face coverings, for example. I have examples in my own constituency, and other Members will have examples in theirs too, where the 2m distance is having a detrimental impact. For example, as regards businesses running boat trips or fishing trips in Anglesey, in the open air, the 2m restriction between paying guests does make that difficult. So, I wonder whether that could be done safely.

May I also just expand on some of the points that I raised with the First Minister? These regulations do lead towards, and have led towards, a relaxation of restrictions, but I wonder whether the Minister can tell us what preparations are being made through regulation to tighten restrictions again where necessary. We heard the First Minister warning us quite rightly earlier on that these dangers are not over. We have seen quite serious clusters of cases arising, for example, in the north-east of Wales, where local regulations could be tightened in order to, hopefully, avoid another lockdown. For example, surely the use of face coverings should be mandatory in more places in areas such as Wrexham. I would remind you that what I have argued, and what Plaid Cymru has argued, is that we need far stronger guidance and enforcement in terms of face coverings throughout Wales in those places where it’s difficult to distance from others.

But we also have the cases in the north-west of England—not in Wales, but having a direct impact on Wales. There are thousands of people still travelling from those areas to areas such as Anglesey, Gwynedd and along the north Wales coast. The question has been posed, and it’s a valid question: should we be asking people to travel only where truly necessary? But if the Government isn’t willing to place a restriction on people’s right to travel, then I am quite sure that we do need guidance and far stricter enforcement in relation to how people should behave once they have travelled into those communities. There are people who can’t travel or can’t visit pubs in the north-west of England with multiple different families, but they can do so on Anglesey, and I think that the Government needs to take account of that and to respond to that by increasing the level of direction in terms of people’s behaviour. I do think we need to consider how we can strengthen the regulations again in the next weeks and months to respond to such circumstances.