9. Welsh Conservatives Debate: COVID-19 Prevention Measures

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:56 pm on 16 September 2020.

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Photo of Andrew RT Davies Andrew RT Davies Conservative 5:56, 16 September 2020

Thank you, Deputy Presiding Officer, and I thank everyone who's contributed to the debate this afternoon and in particular that last point that the Minister touched on. This is about saving lives, because ultimately, in the worst-case scenario, from this virus, you will lose your life, regrettably, and it is the most vulnerable in society who will suffer those consequences, those with underlying health concerns, and if we all play our part we can make a difference in suppressing this virus until we get into that territory where we either have a vaccine or we have wider based solutions that will allow us as a society to deal with it. I echo those comments that the Minister touched on in his closing remarks.

I'd also like to thank everyone who's contributed to what has been an informative debate, to say the least. Although a debate that, on paper, looks relatively simple and I'd hope would find agreement with virtually every section of the Chamber, it has elicited some eight amendments, I think it has. As the leader of the Conservatives in the Assembly here touched on when he opened his opening remarks, obviously time has moved on and it is welcoming to see that the Welsh Government has now moved on face coverings. I myself was a little cautious, to be honest with you, at the start of the pandemic when people were talking about face coverings, but it has become clearer to me and to many others that they do have a role to play in settings where obviously people find themselves vulnerable to infection and it is welcome to see that the Welsh Government have moved on that, as the leader of the opposition touched on in his remarks.

But he did press the case about schools and colleges and in particular the deployment of face coverings in those settings, and I don't think the Minister fully addressed that point in his remarks. I think this will be a point that will have to be revisited because as we now get universities back into the academic cycle, as well as obviously colleges and schools, they are going to be huge centres of congregations of people, and ultimately, if we're trying to suppress the spread of the virus, then obviously educational settings will become more of an important area of concern, shall we say, and I do think that the Welsh Government will end up having to readdress that.

Rhun ap Iorwerth obviously touched on welcoming the motion this afternoon and welcoming the opportunity to debate it and then launched into a tirade against the UK Government and the actions of the UK Government. I get the political knock-around, but let's face it, if it wasn't for the union of the United Kingdom, then frankly I would suggest to you that Wales would be in a far worse place when you look at the whole overall package that's been put in place to support the economy, support the health measures that are being taken, and basically all parts of the United Kingdom doing their bit in the fight against the coronavirus. Because, actually, if you look at the whole of the United Kingdom, indeed, if you look at Europe, virtually every country is in virtually the same place give or take a week or two, to be honest with you, with a second wave imminently either in the process of unfolding before us or ultimately, with many countries in southern Europe in particular, and I would suggest that it is the strength of the union that has made sure that Wales has been able to put many of the measures in place that have stood us in good stead in the first six months of the pandemic, and hopefully will carry on putting us to the right side of this virus and making sure that we come out the other side of it. But I appreciate that from the nationalist point of view you would want to make that argument of separation, and that is an argument and debate that I'm sure will gain traction and ultimately more debating points in this Chamber, but I certainly will fight the cause of the union because I do believe passionately that we're in a stronger, better place when all four parts of this country pull together in the face of such adversity. I can hear the First Minister talking about Europe—I'll gladly have a debate with him on Europe as well. I'll certainly have a debate with him on that.

But the one thing I think also came out loud and clear was the point that Suzy Davies referred to in her contribution, from Mark Reckless yesterday—I appreciate Mark wasn't contributing in the debate—about virus fatigue, or COVID fatigue she touched on. We can talk all we want in this Chamber, but the fact of the matter is there's a lot of people who really do need to be able to hang onto something and have some good news, and some news that there is some light at the end of the tunnel. Sadly, the last 10 days certainly have closed a lot of options down for people and I think we're all aware through our postbags and our e-mails that there are a lot of people in difficult places, and we do need to measure what we are saying about the restrictions, about what personal responsibilities people need to take, with some good and positive news that people can hang onto to take us through this winter, which will be a challenge for all of us. I think that was a very salient point to make in this debate, about COVID fatigue. It might only be that we're six months into it, and there are deaths at the end of this, as I said in my opening remarks, but we have to be realistic about what holds the human spirit together and carries the human spirit forward.

And then, obviously, we had Rhianon Passmore, which started off so well, thanking the Welsh Conservatives for putting the debate down, but it wouldn't be a debate without Rhianon then having a good old ding-dong about Conservative policies and Conservative measures, and touching on the testing regime at the moment, as the First Minister touched on yesterday. Three weeks ago, the testing regime was in full flight and, whilst there were glitches in the system, ultimately it was delivering for people who were going into that regime. Now regrettably, obviously, it is under pressure because we are testing more people than any other country in Europe, and then she went on to praise the Welsh Government. Well, you know, the Welsh Government, at the end of the day, ditched its own targets for testing capacity early on in the pandemic and ultimately signed up to the UK lighthouse lab service. But it also has its own capacity, and its capacity of the last recorded week, which was the information that came out today, was capacity of 106,000 tests, but only 58,000 of those tests were used, so 50,000 tests went unused. So, start facing the fact that all areas of the United Kingdom are facing pressure on testing. It does no-one to try and start an arms race of who's better than who in this. It's about rectifying the problem so we can ultimately get on top of it.

I am pointing out exactly the point that we're at at the moment and pointing out exactly where we're at of the moment, and, ultimately, when Rhianon Passmore says that the UK system is failing Wales, actually, standing and working with the UK system, we're delivering a safety net that ultimately will succeed in getting on top of the pandemic. And so I would suggest that a week where 18,000 people's personal data has been released into the public domain and the First Minister saying he didn't know anything about it till 2 o'clock isn't a good time to start having a knockabout politically about who's better than who in this whole debate.

So, I thank everybody who contributed. Certainly from these benches, we want to welcome the Welsh Government's agreement and success in adopting the policy about face coverings here in Wales, but it is about local lockdowns and managing local lockdowns—the second point—and I've pressed the Minister on this this afternoon, and I'll continue to press him about that data and the ability to identify on a ward-level basis, which happens in the other parts of the United Kingdom at the moment, the prevalence of the virus on a ward-by-ward, local-authority-by-local-authority basis across Wales. That will inform people of how severe it is in their local community, rather than think on a glorious sunny day here in Cardiff, 'We ain't got a problem; it's just RCT and Caerphilly.' It won't take long to jump those borders and it won't take long to come into a community near you unless you bear in mind the advice that's put on the table and you adhere to that advice.

So, I'd like to think this motion would pass unamended, but I've been here 13 years—I fully expect some of the amendments to pass, and there will be some changes. In particular, when it comes to Cardiff Airport I do think that the Minister could have been far more open-minded in his response to the request about testing at Cardiff Airport. Instead of playing catch-up Cymru, we could be leading the field. So, Minister, start the rethink when it comes to Cardiff Airport, and adopt this motion this afternoon and we can move forward on one agenda, and that's suppressing the virus in our communities here in Wales.