Laura Anne Jones discussed the future potential of a military medical museum in Wales. Of course, we already have a small military museum, the Firing Line, which I was associated with years ago, and I think it is important that we realise that these developments will be private developments—they're not part our national museum system—and therefore I doubt very much whether we will be called upon to fund or support them.

Leanne Wood took us back into that wonderful world of brass bands—again a tradition that I know she appreciates and, with family coming from Blaenau Ffestiniog as I do, I also appreciate it, and this is a central part of our musical tradition and one that we must struggle to maintain, even throughout these difficult times. And of course she ingratiated herself to me once again by quoting my great mentor, Raymond Williams. 'Culture is ordinary' is the strapline of this department of culture, and always will be.

She referred to the development of a black history museum. This is something we have not actually discussed in detail. The question that we have to face is whether this should be a further distinctive museum or whether we should recognise that the nationality of Wales must—must—give appropriate and full status, especially in this part of south-east Wales, to the black and other minority communities and the diverse nationalities that are part of our history. So, it's a question of how we develop that.

Mandy Jones stressed the importance of the cinema, and again I warm to that because in the dim and distant past I was a member of the British Film Institute. I think the experience of cinema and the public enjoyment of film is a very difficult thing to restore, but I hope that will develop soon.