11. Debate: Coronavirus

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:21 pm on 20 October 2020.

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Photo of Adam Price Adam Price Plaid Cymru 5:21, 20 October 2020

Diolch, Llywydd. We are clearly of the view that, given the grave seriousness of the situation that now we face, the Government has no option but to introduce the measures that were announced yesterday. Time is a luxury that we don't have, quite frankly, because the report by the technical advisory cell is about as unequivocal as it's—. Well, I've yet ever—. The leader of the Conservatives shakes his head, but I, in 20 years in public life, cannot remember an advisory report to Government that has been as clear and unequivocal as this. Let me just read the last paragraph:

'TAC recommends urgent consideration and execution of a hard national fire break to massively reduce transmission for a period of weeks'.

And in the report—. Let's be absolutely clear what it says: if the Government were not to do what it has announced, then between 960 and 1,300 people would die in Wales, according to the estimates, by the end of the year. That's the price, potentially, of delaying any action; we would have liked to have seen it sooner.

Of course, it is true that we do not have perfect information. We do not have randomised control trials in relation to the detailed interventions, but what does SAGE say? I've seen a quotation. Let's read what SAGE says on the evidence in full:

'The evidence base into the effectiveness and harms of these interventions is generally weak. However, the urgency of the situation is such that we cannot wait for better quality evidence before making decisions.'

We have to make a decision based on the evidence in front of us, and TAC is absolutely clear—we have an exponential rise in cases, an average of 4 per cent, according to the TAC report, and that is continuing and it's leading to seeding across Wales, and that's why they've come to the conclusion that it's necessary, as an urgent measure, to introduce the firebreak.

Now, of course, continual lockdowns are not the answer. We then absolutely have to have a reset of the strategy and of the policies, and that's what's at the heart of our amendment, and it's consistent with what we have said throughout. We should not be in this position. We have to use this time and reflect on what has gone wrong and what can be put right.

And when we look across the world, of course—and we saw in the study in The Lancet a month ago—we have lessons from across the world that we can put into place in order to prevent us from being in this position again, and, particularly, as one of the other amendments stresses, of course, the importance, the central importance, as the World Health Organization said right from the beginning, of a test, trace, isolate and support system. We have to put that right, and there are lessons from around the world in terms of how we can strengthen that system and make sure that it's adequately resourced.

We need to adopt a zero-COVID or elimination strategy, because, when we look across the world, of course—. Look at the situation in many countries across the world—Vietnam, 97 million people. How many deaths in Vietnam? To date, 35. Taiwan, 23 million people. How many deaths to date? Seven. New Zealand, which we are very familiar with—33 deaths in a population of 5 million. Compare that—125 million in those three countries together, 75 deaths overall— compare that to the 1,700 deaths in Wales. There are countries out there that we can learn from, and we need to use this period across the next few weeks to have a debate, yes, and put in place a different system, a different policy, a different framework, which means that we are not having to consider successive lockdowns.

We should not be in this position, but we have to act now, otherwise people will die unnecessarily. But let's, absolutely, look across the world at what Germany's doing on ventilation, on the masks policy that's been introduced in many countries, extending its use, on the three-tier contact tracing that Vietnam is using, on the importance of financial and practical support to help people isolate, on preventing superspreading events, on testing asymptomatic contacts—there are a whole host of lessons out there, and clear and consistent communication is absolutely central. Let's learn those lessons now, so that we can use the next few weeks and have a sense of a national mission, so that we can all come together, Government and opposition working constructively, working with communities right across Wales, so that we can save lives not just over the next three months, but prevent us from being in this position again.