11. Debate: Coronavirus

Part of the debate – in the Senedd at 5:51 pm on 20 October 2020.

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Photo of Alun Davies Alun Davies Labour 5:51, 20 October 2020

Oh, well, Neil, it won't matter to you; we're not in Wiltshire anyway. This is a matter for us who actually seek to represent the people who thought they were electing us.

Let me say this: when I looked at this proposal from the First Minister, I quite honestly was unsure. I asked myself three questions. The first question was, 'Is there any alternative?', secondly, 'Is it proportionate?' and finally, 'What happens next?' I read the evidence provided by the Welsh Government. I read and listened to the evidence from the expert advisers. I listened to what the chief medical officer had to say. I read through the technical advice report, and I came to the same conclusion not only as the first Minister, but Adam Price as well. As a Minister, I've read a number of decision folders provided by advisers, and I've wished that we had the clear advice that was provided in this document. I've often wished for less equivocation, I've often wished for more direction, and when I read this document, I was clear, absolutely crystal clear in my mind, that the responsible thing that I have to do is to support the Government in what it's doing.

I say that as somebody who would also speak out if I thought they were wrong, and I say that because I represent the people in this community in Blaenau Gwent. I have to do what is right and proper for the people in this community in Blaenau Gwent. And when I walk up and down the streets here, I have to look people in the eye; not disappear once an election has been fought, send them a message on Facebook and forget about them, but look them in the eye—look them in the eye in the supermarket, in the shops, and talk to people, and talk to members of my own family, and talk to people I was in school with about the impact it's going to have on their lives. It would be the wrong thing to do to do the easier thing and say, 'I'm less sure, I'm not sure.' Because I know that I am sure that we have to do the right thing and move in this direction.

All too often, Presiding Officer, in this debate, we've seen people who call themselves public representatives—although the public wouldn't recognise them—playing with false information, playing with fake news, putting things on social media, not only not knowing if it's true, but they can be pretty sure it's not true. Two and a half thousand people today retweeted a lie about Nevill Hall Hospital, saying it's empty, with doctors playing golf. The sort of information that's going round our communities and our societies at the moment is really dangerous and it's going to cost people their lives. So, there was no alternative, and I would invite all Members of this place today to support the Welsh Government in what it's doing.

Is it proportionate? I've spoken to the First Minister about some of my concerns around the impact on mental health, around the impact on physical health, around closure of gyms, and around closure of leisure centres, because I do have concerns about the impact that this is going to have on people. I have concerns about the impact it's going to have on young men, who won't be phoning helplines, who won't be speaking to people about the impact it's having on their mental health. I recognise the force of his argument that a shorter, harder lockdown is the best approach to take, and I hope the First Minister will also acknowledge the force of my point on issues around physical and mental health that we'll need to address as we go through this period.

And finally, what comes next? I do not believe that we can continue to lock down then relax, lock down then relax into the distant future, providing people with no sense of where we're going. I think we need to use the tools that we have at our disposal. We, in Wales, I think, can be proud of the way that the Welsh Government has faced this pandemic and this huge crisis. We haven't had the corrupt contracts that they've had in London. We haven't had the failures when they've given their mates jobs rather than somebody who knows how to do the job. We have a testing regime that works. We have a trace and track process that works, and we have the means of protecting our population. And we do that because we work together, and we marshal and work the whole of the public sector together—local government, Welsh Government, the national health service working together to serve the people, not to serve themselves and not to fill their pockets. That moral difference of values, I believe, also provides us with a platform moving forward and looking forward, using the facilities that we have at our disposal, using the mechanisms and the structures that we've created in these last few months, to paint a different future as we move forward, so that we can say to people, 'Yes, not only will you have Christmas, but you will have more hope in the new year', that we have a means of tracking and tracing the virus, ensuring that we have the means of enforcement to ensure that we can, then, have a very different future.

So, I hope that Members on all sides of the Chamber this afternoon will vote in support of this motion. And I know it's difficult, as well, for Members of the opposition parties to sometimes do that, but we've seen examples in these last few days of responsible opposition, and I pay tribute to Adam Price in the way that he's approached that. And then we've seen examples of irresponsible popularism and irresponsible opposition, and we all know what is meant by that. The people of Wales come first. The people I represent in Blaenau Gwent come first, and we should all put everything else to one side.